IGT 6/27/06 - Mets at Red Sox

[Guest Edgy DC]

What a sloppy inning.

Ortiz is on first, but he'd have scored if he had any wheels at all.

[Guest Edgy DC]

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[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Well look. Winning this one is a tall order but let's at last have 'em work up a sweat. Make Papelbomb warm up.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Timlin has the same dirt smudge on his hat that Taverez had on his.

This is like that scar all GI Joes -- regardless of blonde, black or red hair -- had. Black GI Joe too.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Let's go, Jose. Five-run homer this inning.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Thanks for the ride, Jose.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

fuckshit.

Lousy game.

[nymr83]

we ran into a team on fire, oh well. i'll be happy to take 1 from them and the friday game with MFYs to end june 17-10.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Nymr83 wrote: we ran into a team on fire, oh well. i'll be happy to take 1 from them and the friday game with MFYs to end june 17-10.

F that. Had 7 8 9 or 1 batters done anything (till Marrerro's PH) in this game, Beltran not get picked off and Milledge make that catch, we'd have been right with 'em.

[Frayed Knot]

Even semi-blowouts can turn on a handful of ABs or plays made/not made:

- Varitek getting the 2-strike/2-out hit w/the bags loaded in the 1st

- Wright & Nady & Wodward NOT getting hits in same/similar spots

- Milledge mis-playing the potential inning-ending Manny fly after we pitched around Papi

- Sending Reyes on the short single ... which fortunately was bad only for to-night and not two-months


Those ABs were all 1 & 2 run turn-arounds just on their own and who knows what else they lead to. Change the result a couple of those (yeah if my aunt had balls ... ) and it's a completely different game.

[Gwreck]

I don't know if it was worse than the loss to the MFYs but it was definetly one of the 5 worst losses of this year.

FUCK!

[Willets Point]

Well, that sucked.

My ticket said "obstructed view" but when I sat down in my seat before the game I had a clear, albeit awkward view of the field. Then the game started and all the fans came forth out of the tunnel and right into my line of view. And they kept on coming and going and coming and going the whole game, and usually stopped dead right in front of me whenever something interesting happened (sometimes so they could take pictures with the Pesky Pole). I swear over the 10 years I've been attending games at Fenway the fans have increasingly gotten mass ADD and can't stay in their fucking seats.

Worst. Seat. Ever.

I would have rather sat behind a steel beam.

The game sucked too. How many runners were put out at the plate? How many bases loaded situations did the Mets squander? What the hell was wrong with Milledge on that fly?

I do love that Franco was DH. It was a flashback to when interleague play first began (10 seasons ago!) when Bobby V always had Matt Franco as DH.

The pre-game tribute to the 2006 AL Champs was nice. It was good to see the likes of Dwight Evans, Jim Rice and Wade Boggs on the field again as well as guys I haven't heard of in 20 years. Buckner got a standing O in absentia. Also after the first inning they welcomed Pedro back with a video tribute and then the fans gave him a standing ovation for a minute or so. Very classy.

Lots of Mets fans in attendance and a few people wearing gear of both teams. I think I sat next to Yankess fans although its hard to tell because they were quiet and polite.

I hope the next game I attend Thursday is better both in my seating and in the final score.

[Elster88]

I hold my breath every time Reyes slides headfirst, so I usually have the hiccups by the third inning.

Of course the one time he (almost) got hurt was the time he went in feet first.

Ronnie and Keith were right. It's probably less dangerous to just crash into him then to slide into his shin guards.

[MFS62]

In an interview with Ed Coleman before the game, Mike Francessa noticed that Lastings would be starting in left field and wondered why he wasn't out there learning to "play the wall".
How prophetic. Gotta' give Mike some props on this one.

Later

[metirish]

Fukc Francesa, Lastings made one bad play off the wall and it cost the Mets, I'm more concerned with Soler making shit pitches....

[Guest Edgy DC]

If we're talking about the bad ricochet off the scoreboard, was more concerned with Beltran's positioning.

You don't know where the ball's going, you figure the first guy there is positioned for the ball to die, the second guy --- the backup --- should be looking for the long rebound. Beltran was right on top of Milledge.

No biggie. A bad bounce is a bad bounce, but if you're looking to blame someone, Milledge doesn't jump to mind.

Missing a fly ball, on the other hand...

[stevejrogers]

metirish wrote: Fukc Francesa, Lastings made one bad play off the wall and it cost the Mets, I'm more concerned with Soler making shit pitches....

Yeah but that wall is infamous for being tricky to play off of.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Am I thinking of the wrong play?

[Guest old original jb]

Ugly game. Glad I missed it. I caught the recap and really enjoyed seeing Mookie Wilson, Keith Hernandez, and Ron Darling do the post game together.

I'm not so upset about Reyes running--in order to have a player be as agressive as he is, you have to tolerate some mistakes both from him and the third base coach. That even involves some risk of injury. Carlos Beltran misplaying a ball can be attributed to "even very good players occasionally make errors" with no repercussions beyond that.

The three things about the game that I find disquieting:

1) Soler is starting to establish himself in my mind as an inconsistent pitcher who can either be brilliant or dismal depending on I don't know what, and I also fear that this will get worse as the leagues get to know him.

2) It is a bad precedent to have one of your worst games of the year against a potential postseason opponent.

3) The Lastings drama keeps playing on. For the record, no matter how inconsequential his misplay might have been, Lastings should have taken the time to learn the wall. Someone should have made sure he did it if it didn't occur to him--and at this point he should be pestering other players to find out what opportunities there are to practice and demonstrate a good work ethic, and to learn more about the game.

[metirish]

Do we have only Francesa as a source that Milledge didn't "learn" to play the wall?.

[Guest old original jb]

metirish wrote: Do we have only Francesa as a source that Milledge didn't "learn" to play the wall?.

No. Mookie, Keith, and Ron discussed it after the game as well. Unless they got it from Francesa.

Milledge is truly demonstrating the risk of letting a kid make his mistakes in front of the cameras. To his credit, he seems to have enough confidence to let it roll off him. The only worry is if he has so much confidence that he also lets the good advice of senior players, coaches, and managers roll off as well.

[metirish]

Thanks jb, I didn't watch the post-game stuff.

[TransMonk]

metirish wrote: Do we have only Francesa as a source that Milledge didn't "learn" to play the wall?.

I saw him flub a routine fly ball he should have caught because he didn't know where the wall was. Even if he did learn, he should do it again.

To be fair, he played a carom off the wall very well early in the game...before he came no where near second base trying to throw the runner out at second.

[Guest Edgy DC]

]No. Mookie, Keith, and Ron discussed it after the game as well.

Of course, with the Mets down 2-0 after two losses at home in 1986, Davey Johnson surprisingly gave the team a day off from practice before game three at Fenway. "Don't you think you should have Mookie working out in left and learning to play the Wall?" the media asked. (I'm recalling and summarizing

"No. I think they need to get rested and refocused."

I think a lot is made of the wall by the media who've mythologized it. And a lot is made by the likes of Francesa to seek a moral reason behind every failure.

That said, I'm crying out for Cliffy.

[metirish]

Well maybe they should play Chavez in LF tonight, Willie did say that the fly ball Milledge mis-played was probably the highest ball he ever saw...Lastings that is.

[MFS62]

] think a lot is made of the wall by the media who've mythologized it. And a lot is made by the likes of Francesa to seek a moral reason behind every failure.

He made the comment before the game.

Later

[Elster88]

Here's some perfect 20-20 hindsight: why didn't Valentin start at second?

[TransMonk]

Elster88 wrote: Here's some perfect 20-20 hindsight: why didn't Valentin start at second?

I don't think you'll like my speculative answer:

Yesterday was Woodward's birthday.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Hell, if it was his birthday Willie should have let Woodward bat cleanup! And play centerfield!

Everyone should be able to pretend to be Willie Mays on their birthday!

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

He wanted as many RHBs as possible to pepper the Monster and hit the LHP. Valentin still switches but I guess not as comfy vs. LH.