mets get delgado (apparently)

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, I assume the seven mills is largely to cover the backload on the contract.

[Guest sharpie]

$7 million isn't exactly chump change either.

[Frayed Knot]

My initial reactions:

1) WOW!!! Just fucking WOW!

2) Funny how it's the deals that aren't talked about come out of nowhere. It's part of what drives me nuts about this time of year.

3) I think it's great.
Delgado is on board for (comparative) reasonable money (approx 3 yrs @ less than $14mil/per - or nearly $5mil/per less than Manny). It's the cleanup hitter the lineup needs.
He's not a great 1st baseman but so what
Jacobs was fun to root for but probably limited in the long run
Petit was intriguing but who knows what the long-term outlook would be

4) Forget the pitcher's park nonsense. Delgado's shots go out of any park including Yellowstone.

5) I didn't care about the Nat Anthem issue when it happened and care even less now. Ditto with the supposed "diss" from last year's negotiations.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: If getting Delgado makes Manny Ramirez less likely, then it also means that keeping Lastings Milledge is more likely. I'm okay with giving up Petit if a byproduct of that is keeping Milledge.

My thought xactly. Even Delgado's right to force a trade isn't a bad thing, necessarily, since we know his contract is ugly on the back end.

Too bad about Jake, but I'm OK with this.

[Guest silverdsl]

HappyRecap wrote: As was just pointed out by a friend of mine, Delgado will save a lot of energy when he doesn't stand for the National Anthem so perhaps he will be fresher later in the season.

If he was traded to a team I'm a fan of I'd be more concerned with what he can potentially do on the field to help the team win rather than whether he stands for the NA or what he might have thought a year ago. The Marlins are in the midst of a fire sale and it seems to me that Delgado might not be all that unhappy to leave if the team's getting dismantled. I guess I've come to expect that some fans of all teams will find something to criticize about even the best moves their team makes but this really does seem like a very good addition for the Mets that I would think the majority of fans should be happy about.

[Guest 86-Dreamer]

I really wanted to see Jacobs develop with Wright & Reyes, and Petit to lead the pitching staff. I also wanted Hubie Brooks to be Mets 3B for life and Floyd Yeomans to shine along with Gooden & darling for ten years. I am not predicting that Delgado will be the missing link that Gary Carter was, just to point out that sometimes these risks are worth taking.

[Guest Edgy DC]

]I'm okay with giving up Petit if a byproduct of that is keeping Milledge.

My thoughts also, but what does it say that we're OK with the Mets dealing off some good prospects because it makes better good prospects safer?

There's a European tradition of the rabbit garden --- the vegetables you plant outside the fence as a sacrifice to the rabbits to keep them from getting inside the fence. I don't want to fear the Mets like that.

That said (I use that a lot) --- between Seo, Heilman, Humber, Pelfrey, Soler, Bannister, Gaby Hernandez, and longer-shot flamethrowers like Matt Lindstrom and Jeremy Hill, the Mets should still have enough redundancy in their system to replace the veteran starters in their rotation in the coming years.

[MFS62]

Just received this from a Jays fan friend in Toronto.
Thought I'd share.

Later
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poor ralu.....having to be a met (is there a worse non-bostonian fate?)

ah well, enjoy him metsie...he's streaky as hell but when he's hot - there is no one hotter....sometimes u just know he's gonna go yard....he always has a wonderful smile on his face....and he really is a leader...

i guess on the positive side, playing in yew york might help his hall of fame chances...

good for u mets fans...remember ralu means god...feel free to use it as necessary
regards

[Elster88]

It's also funny that HappyRecap posts something that's not true (Delgado doesn't stand for the National Anthem), and then someone else who isn't that familiar with the story like silver posts an argument in the opposing view.

Not a knock on silver at all, it's obvious she remembers the story of Delgado not getting up during the seventh inning stretch, saw what HappyRecap wrote, and assumed what he posted was completely accurate when in fact he mixed it up a little. (I also agree 100% with what silver says.)

But if someone else who was slightly unfamiliar with the story were to just be browsing and see what HappyRecap wrote they might post it somewhere else, and it would go from there to other places, and eventually Heyman will write an article about it quoting unnamed sources. I guess that's how rumors start.
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[duan]

seriously people are getting WAY to hung up on Mike Jacobs.

If he really can't be a catcher he'll be a mediocre first baseman with a bit of pop potential.

If he can catch well he'll be a real loss but I think they've done a good job of trading him while his value was at it's highest.

He just reminds me of 2003's Jason Phillips.

[Guest abogdan]

I'd rather see the Mets get Manny instead of Delgado, but with the $7 million coming over I can't be too upset about this trade. I'm not expecting Delgado to still be as productive in year 3 of this deal, but next year, the Mets now have the best clean up hitter in the NL. No one in the NL has four guys in their lineup like Beltran/Wright/Delgado/Floyd.

This also means that Seo and Heilman will likely both be in Shea next year unless Omar really goes nuts and tries to get Soriano to play 2B.

[Centerfield]

I hate to see Jacobs go. I think there is a difference between minor-league prospects and guys who, as little as it may be, have shown success in the major leagues. But I guess with Delgado coming on board, there is no place for him to play anyway.

That being said, I'm thrilled about Delgado...and I'm crossing my fingers that this story gets confirmed by a few other news sources.

[duan]

by the way - I'd have preferred to keep Petit then get $ 7 million; but then I'm probably a little too excited by the idea of pitchers coming through and a little too quick to forget that there first year or two in the ML's tends to have it's fair share of lump taking (of course there are exceptions but they're in a comfortable minority).

[Guest sharpie]

]and I'm crossing my fingers that this story gets confirmed by a few other news sources.

ESPN reporting it from AP wire.

[Guest ABG]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2234421

ESPN.com has it too.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

He'll never fit into Kaz Matsui's #25 jersey.

[Elster88]

Who was reporting that the Fish wouldn't trade in division? Can we stop with those silly ideas now? Between Piazza, Leiter, and now Delgado, the Mets have benefited handsomely from Fish Fire Sales ™.
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[Benjamin Grimm]

Keith Hernandez and Gary Carter also came to the Mets in trades from other NL East teams.

That within-the-same-division thing might make a deal slightly less likely, but by no means does it make it impossible.

[Guest Edgy DC]

And Juan Samuel.

And Tim Burke.

[seawolf17]

I thought we agreed to never mention that name in this space ever again.

[Benjamin Grimm]

The guy who looks like Mo Vaughn is complaining about Tim Burke?

[metirish]

These lads can't be happy...Carlos has a looooooooong name..

http://www.baseballreference.com/d/delgaca01.shtml

[soupcan]

I like this deal mas mucho for many of the reasons already stated in this thread.

-It prolly takes us away from Manny and I was becoming increasingly leery of giving up Milledge even though I know there's a better chance of him becoming David West/Alex Ochoa/Alex Escobar than Tom Seaver/Darryl Strawberry/Dwight Gooden.

-Jacobs and Petit? HA! Fleeced. Fleeced I tell ya!

-Delgado not standing up for the Anthem? You're kidding me right? This is a concern? Last I checked that's kinda what we stand for (pardon the pun) in this country, no?

-I'm also thinking that if Omar pulled this deal off he's not so concerned about any imagined ill will between Carlos and the Mets. And if ain't concerned, I ain't concerned.

I read in the NY Post this morning that the Mets are also talking about getting Soriano as well with Bannister's name in the mix on that one.

[metirish]

Buster Olney blogs on Omar...here's the relevent rant..

]A Mets deal for Carlos Delgado could happen quickly, reports Kevin Kernan; the Daily News concurs. If, in fact, the Mets part with their top pitching prospect to get Delgado, while absorbing all of Delgado's financial obligations, they are insane. They could offer a bag of balls at this point and Florida will take a deal, so long as the Mets are taking the contract. Again, there is no question that the Mets are going to have the best offseason, on paper, of any team in the majors: They're probably going to sign Billy Wagner, they could get Delgado very soon, and they're going to get a good catcher. But the trademark of Omar Minaya's dealings so far is that he overpays for everything. He can get Delgado, and that's great. But why overpay for him? Why not tell the Marlins, Look, you don't have teams beating down your door to take his contract. We'll do you a favor and take his contract, and you'll take one Grade B-minus prospect from this list of three, along with this backup Class A catcher, and you'll be thrilled with that.

A bag of balls would have gotten it done...damn you Omar...

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

IMHO the Mets easily won the trade. Overpaying my ass.

[soupcan]

There's a reason some guys are writers and some guys are GMs.

[Theoldmole]

I think it's an excellent deal. AND it means probably no trade of Milledge.

The NY Mets official site has this headline.

]Delgado reportedly dealt to Mets

If they don't know, who does?

[metirish]

So very true soup, and of course Omar would get hammered if he didn't land these guys because he refused to overpay...

[Centerfield]

Olney doesn't know...Omar is saving that bag of balls for an even bigger deal down the road.

[Centerfield]

Soriano? I don't attribute as much value to defense as some others do, but a Wright-Reyes-Soriano-Delgado infield would be pretty tough to watch. I was thinking that with Delgado at first, we'd need to make sure we can get some pretty sure hands at second base if we're to give ground ball guys like Benson any chance next year.

Throw in the fact that we might have Diaz in right and Piazza behind the plate....our pitchers are going to have to figure out how to get everyone to hit it to Beltran.