Trade Poll: Blade Tidwell, José Buttó, and Drew Gilbert for Tyler Rogers

[Edgy MD]

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[Cowtipper]

I love it. 12/10. And we still have a couple days left 'til the deadline!

[The Hot Corner]

I'm okay with it. It is a high price for a free agent to be, but he immediately should be one of our most effective relievers. He has a proven record of making a lot of appearances and being effective the majority of the time.

You don't get quality pitchers for nothing.

[MFS62]

Are we sure we got the right twin?

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Tyler: 1.80 ERA / 0.86 WHIP

Taylor (just dealt from CIN to PIT): 2.45 / 1.46

You choose.

Besides, we got the younger one!

[Benjamin Grimm]

I voted like. I originally thought the price was too high but as it's sinking in, I'm okay with it.

[Lefty Specialist]

Too much for a rental in my opinion.

[The Hot Corner]

Either of the Rogers twins would be a strong addition to the bullpen, but I believe the Mets got the better of the two.

Looking at their stats this season:

IP WHIP OPS ERA ERA+ HR/9 K/BB

Tyler RHRP 50 0.860 .522 1.80 216 0.50 9.50

Taylor LHRP 33 1.455 .733 2.45 184 0.80 1.79

I would say that they both would be a welcomed addition to the Mets bullpen, but if we could only have one of them, then I believe the Mets got the right one.

[Gwreck]

Stearns paid full price but this is an acquisition the Mets needed. Solid “like.”

[DocTee]

When i saw the other Rogers traded this morning I assumed PIT would flip him (and hoped, to us).

Like BG, I initially thought this was a lot (too much) to give up but am liking it more. But it seems we gave up less to get the STL closer.

And I thought the big BP need was a lefty and each of these acquistions is a righty so what do I know?

[Frayed Knot]

I'll go with 'Like' as well even if that wasn't my initial knee-jerk reaction.

Look, it's tough to know how to evaluate minor leaguers. We rarely see them, their stats are sometimes subject to the oddities of minor league parks, and guys progress at different rates. It's also easy to hear about a 'good prospect' and have it take hold in your mind that he is going to be good one day, something that's often true right up until it's not. Most prospects, even some of the better ones, never become anything special.

Plus Gilbert will be 25 in September and while he was on the pre-season 2024 prospect lists it was mostly on the back half of those lists [#93, #53, #29 / BA, MLB, BP] and he didn't repeat on any of them in '25. So while I don't want to say that he had become expendable, the key to managing prospects is in choosing which ones to bet on and maybe they simply decided that he wasn't the best one to retain. This isn't the same as dealing PCA just one year and 24 minor league ABs after drafting him in the 1st round (19th).

Butto had a bunch of big contributions in the last year and a half, getting a replacement with not only a different look but a low walk rate, something that may continue to keep Butto from ever being consistent enough.

Tidwell I know even less about but, again, several other starters in line seem to clearly be ahead of him. He seems like maybe a higher floor/lower ceiling type which is fine but not necessarily special.

High price for a rental? Yeah, but also a needed piece and, with 1/3 of the season still to go, it gives him plenty of opportunities to make his time here worthwhile. Plus the team is in position for this type of move right now.

btw, I never heard Gary say anything like 'Gilbert won't be ready for a ML roster until 2027'. That doesn't even make sense.

[Edgy MD]

Ryan Clifford — the other outfielder the Mets got for Justin Verlander — has 21 homers and 67 RBI in Binghamton this year. He could well end up replacing Gilbert at AAA.

[Fman99]

I've been watching Drew Gilbert for the last two years here in Syracuse. He's finally, just in the last 5-6 weeks, showing some signs of life as a batter. He's been very mediocre up until that point.

[roger_that]

High price for a rental? Yeah, but also a needed piece and, with 1/3 of the season still to go, it gives him plenty of opportunities to make his time here worthwhile. Plus the team is in position for this type of move right now.

btw, I never heard Gary say anything like 'Gilbert won't be ready for a ML roster until 2027'. That doesn't even make sense.

 

What Gary said (I've got the game recorded, so I could look up his exact words and when he said them, but this is an accurate paraphrase) was "he won't be MLB ready for a season or two" or "he's still a year or two from playing in the major leagues."

Also, is Rogers necessarily a rental? And if he is, is that a bad thing? The Mets could sign him to a long-term deal, a la Lindor, and might even have that in the works already. But he's 34, so the question is do they want him in his late 30s? Maybe not. This could be a case of Uncle Stevie's deep pockets working for us. If they sign him to a five-year deal before he hits FAgency, and he starts to suck, we just deal him off and eat the contract. Or make him into a middle reliever and sign another younger reliever to take his place.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

How is that different from any player in the same contract/age situation

[roger_that]

How is that different from any player in the same contract/age situation

 

It's not. I'm just trying to point out that he's not necessarily a rental, and that not being a rental could be either good or bad.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

ok

[Gwreck]

Also, is Rogers necessarily a rental?

 

Yes, using the commonly accepted definition that a “rental” means a player acquired via trade with no team control beyond the current season.

[roger_that]

Also, is Rogers necessarily a rental?

 

Yes, using the commonly accepted definition that a “rental” means a player acquired via trade with no team control beyond the current season.

 

If they sign him to a long-term deal before he enters free-agency, though, a la Lindor, he's not a rental. You wouldn't call Lindor a "rental," would you? Though when they acquired him, there was no deal in place.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Mike Piazza was a rental too. He fit the definition that Gwreck shared above. Even if you eventually buy the condo that you're renting, during the time before the purchase, you were a renter.

[Benjamin Grimm]

One of the things that helped me get over my kneejerk reaction to losing Drew Gilbert is the memory of Jarred Kelenic. I remember the angst around here when he was traded, and how dealing him for Cano was going to be a disaster. (Someone here, don't remember who but, I think, someone who's not here anymore, said Kelenic was a certain Hall-of-Famer. That was ridiculous.)

[MFS62]

(Someone here, don't remember who but, I think, someone who's not here anymore, said Kelenic was a certain Hall-of-Famer.)

 

So did a friend of mine who had Kelenic on his strat team.

We haven't let him forget it.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Someone here, don't remember who but, I think, someone who's not here anymore, said Kelenic was a certain Hall-of-Famer. That was ridiculous.

 

I don't remember a HoF claim specifically although I do remember him being referred to as a 'once in a generation' talent. But he was never that either.

The problem with dealing Kelenic was the same as with PC-A, both were drafted high (JK = 6th overall, PCA 18th) and then traded the very same year* before

the Mets had a chance to see even what each might become. Both then immediately flourished in their new teams' system to where Kelenic was a top-15

prospect by age 20 and top-10 by age 21. PCA was top 30 then top 20 by ages 21/22. So if the Mets had held on to either just one more season they either

wouldn't have traded them away or, if they did, they would have been able to land a much better player(s) in return.

Sometimes those things work out in your favor, Syndergaard took off only after joining the NYM system so, unless you're buying the idea that he flourished

because of being in the NYM system, we couldn't have gotten him in a trade just a few months after we did. Remember that it was TdA who was the main bait

in that deal. Thor was merely the sweetener.

I suppose dealing guys that early is the baseball equivalent of trading draft picks, only instead of trading the pick before it happens you make the pick first and

then make the trade. Arizona traded Dansby Swanson just six months after they made him the 1/1 pick. That didn't work out so well for the Snakes either.

* PCA was actually traded the year after he was drafted (2020) but didn't play the first year due to Covid so had just 24 ABs in the NYM system when dealt.

[Cowtipper]

Gilbert's not a major loss yet. The Giants promoted him not long after the deal and he is currently hitting .107 in 28 at-bats.