Buck stops now

ashie62 · October 1, 2023

The Mets folded like a cheap tent in 2022 and were worse, much worse this season

Can anyone really blame the Mets for canning their manager?

Edgy MD · October 1, 2023

The Mets folded like a cheap tent in 2022 and were worse, much worse this season

No, they didn't. They lost. I don't know how that isn't clear.

I never understood this analogy anyhow. What is it about tents that cheap ones supposedly fold more effectively than pricey ones?

It also gets crossed with the "folded like a cheap suit" cliché. Which product is it whose least expensive and/or most poorly made versions have become the standard for folding?

Can anyone really blame the Mets for canning their manager?

Plenty of people can, if they are of a mind to. You can too, if you want. Or not. It's a decision that many teams have gone in different directions on. Many of these team have been shown to have been right. Many of them have been shown to have been perfectly wrong. And wrong-headed too. For most, it's a cruel and stubborn mystery, which doesn't stop folks from having positions.

If you have a position, I'd like to read about it, but I hope it has more substance than that "folded like a cheap tent" stuff. You know that's just late-night, AM talk-radio jive.

Marshmallowmilkshake · October 2, 2023

https://twitter.com/kateefeldman/status/1708542460824010901

Goodnight

I thought I had heard he famously never threw players under the bus in his press conferences.

Her X feed is full of odd "hot takes."

whippoorwill · October 2, 2023

Looks like nobody agrees with her

Lefty Specialist · October 2, 2023

Say what you want about Buck, he always had his players' backs. He had trouble managing the bullpen, but I don't think anybody could have properly managed this years cast of arsonists.

Stearns will have a clean slate as I expect all the coaches will be shitcanned as well.

Marshmallowmilkshake · October 2, 2023

Jon Heyman thinks the best choice is ... Dusty Baker?

https://nypost.com/2023/10/01/david-stearns-must-find-manager-comparable-or-better-than-buck-showalter/https://nypost.com/2023/10/01/david-stearns-must-find-manager-comparable-or-better-than-buck-showalter/

kcmets · October 2, 2023

he used his press conferences to throw players under the bus

I saw most of Buck's post game comments and Q&A's, This is flat out fiction.

Edgy MD · October 2, 2023

¿Quien es Kate Feldman?

Marshmallowmilkshake · October 2, 2023

Edgy MD wrote:

¿Quien es Kate Feldman?

According to her profile, she is a CBS Sports assistant MLB editor. Earned her degree from University of Florida. Was previously a senior television reporter. Worked at the Daily News for a while. From New Jersey.

Had this to say about Buck: "I just did not fall under his spell like everyone else did. Maybe that's a me problem."

Edgy MD · October 2, 2023

"Buck, what was going through your mind today, during your last game."

"Trying to win. Hoping Butto had a good outing."

You'd have to be under a very different kind of spell to identify that sort of answer as characteristic of a manager who throws his players under the bus.

Later: "I was kidding Lindor. He kinda messed up by gettin' two RBIs yesterday, and I kept him in, and all of a sudden, he's hittin' fourth in the last inning. I really wanted ... I was hoping to send him out to shortstop and in the middle of the inning, take him out, so everybody can acknowledge the year he's had, but I couldn't take the chance of him not getting an opportunity [to reach 100 RBI]. I was really hoping that ball that Pete hit would fall, so's he'd have a pop at it. He still had a[n] ... unbelievable year. And, uh ... he's runnin' on fumes. He's been ... that way for about a week. Also everybody here appreciates what he does and brings. He's a special young man."

Such a bus-toss.

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There's a lot you can disagree with Buck about, and I do, but it's hard to watch that and not see the guy as being very thoughtful about taking accountability upon himself.

G-Fafif · October 2, 2023

Having sat in on a few of Buck's pregame pressers, I couldn't imagine him being anything other than Mets manager for life.

Having watched too many Mets late innings evaporate, I could easily imagine him not coming back next year.

A Boy Named Seo · October 2, 2023

Stuff this morning in The Athletic confirms Buck was given the option to resign or be fired. He said he'd never quit on his guys so he was shit-canned. Stearns wants his own manager and that was that.

And glad Edgy posted that vid of Lindor's daughter. It was funny, when I heard the news, I wondered how bummed that kid would be before anything else.

Happy trails, Buck. You were good by me.

https://theathletic.com/4919791/2023/10/02/mets-buck-showalter-fired/https://theathletic.com/4919791/2023/10/02/mets-buck-showalter-fired/

Edgy MD · October 2, 2023

The two-year-max shelf-life on Mets managers in latter days is less than encouraging.

MFS62 · October 2, 2023

I tend to agree with Kate (whoever she is) on the rookie and bullpen issues but definitely not on the "tossing players under the bus" issue.

That said, I'm not losing any sleep about his firing and looking forward to finding fault with the next manager.

Later

smg58 · October 2, 2023

Like Eppler, Showalter had plusses and minuses and you can't credit him for last season while giving him a pass on this year. The Mets have done quite a bit worse in the recent past, but they can also do better and hopefully they will.

Remind me to copy and paste this post sometime later in the week when it's Eppler's turn.

nymr83 · October 2, 2023

Sherman with a bit of a hit piece:

https://nypost.com/2023/10/01/david-stearns-buck-showalter-hit-job-made-for-awkward-first-mets-move/https://nypost.com/2023/10/01/david-stearns-buck-showalter-hit-job-made-for-awkward-first-mets-move/

I didn't realize Bob Melvin is expected to be fired in San Diego.

Cohen saying it's all about giving his new PBO the opportunity to pick his own guy.

Fuck that guy, worst sportswriter in all of the NY papers combined. Not giving him a click.

nymr83 · October 2, 2023

I loved Buck and think this was a dumb move. but I do agree that a new president or whatever Stearns title is should be allowed to pick his own guys. I hope Cohen gave him the option to can Eppler too.

nymr83 · October 2, 2023

Edgy MD wrote:

¿Quien es Kate Feldman?

An idiot.

Centerfield · October 3, 2023

https://twitter.com/kateefeldman/status/1708542460824010901

Goodnight

I thought I had heard he famously never threw players under the bus in his press conferences.

Her X feed is full of odd "hot takes."

Wow. With all the dumb stuff said on Twitter, it's hard to have an astonishingly bad take these days. Somehow she managed.

batmagadanleadoff · October 3, 2023

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Like Eppler, Showalter had plusses and minuses and you can't credit him for last season while giving him a pass on this year. The Mets have done quite a bit worse in the recent past, but they can also do better and hopefully they will.