deGrominating forward ...

[nymr83]

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This is why no one will hire me to be their agent.

[Edgy MD]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Still don't think he'll throw a pitch in the major leagues this season. I'm with you.

People needs to get their CraneBucks on the table.

[kcmets]

Sounds poll-worthy. I'm too lazy but would vote...

[Ceetar]

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=kcmets post_id=100392 time=1658329808 user_id=53]
This is why no one will hire me to be their agent.

[G-Fafif]

Update from Newsday.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

He still may as well not exist, till he's on the mound and pitching in a real game that counts.



And even then, after continuing to get hurt, suddenly and mysteriously, for 2 years or more, who will ever trust that if that day comes, that it lasts? Cuz me, I just don't anymore.



But my opinion means shit, of course.



It's what the organization makes of it. And I believe they too need to pretend that deGrom is no longer a relevant member of its plans, just a sort of a lottery ticket in a drawer somewhere and they don't recall when the numbers get drawn. And act like that is the case, whether they say it or not.

[duan]

yeah - I think you're right in that you don't expect him to be a big contributor but hey if he rocks through the last 10 starts and into the playoffs you've got the best 1/2 punch going.

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: He still may as well not exist, till he's on the mound and pitching in a real game that counts. And even then, after continuing to get hurt, suddenly and mysteriously, for 2 years or more, who will ever trust that if that day comes, that it lasts? Cuz me, I just don't anymore. But my opinion means shit, of course. It's what the organization makes of it. And I believe they too need to pretend that deGrom is no longer a relevant member of its plans, just a sort of a lottery ticket in a drawer somewhere and they don't recall when the numbers get drawn. And act like that is the case, whether they say it or not.

[whippoorwill]

I'm with Johnny too.

I'm over him

[Ceetar]

true of literally every pitcher though.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

=Ceetar post_id=100571 time=1658493099 user_id=102]
true of literally every pitcher though.

[Ceetar]

it's just that with deGrom the "upside" is so great so it makes you want to not look too hard. Kind of like looking at the weather before a regular season softball game and looking at the weather before a week-long beach trip. One's gonna bum you out a little more if things don't go your way.

[G-Fafif]

We're with ya, Jake!



Somebody had to say it.

[The Hot Corner]

I believe DeGrom will make it back to the Mets rotation this season. I expect he will be dominant upon his return. I expect his return will be rather short (2-4 outings) before he is once more shut down due to injury.



I had a friend, who is a Mets fan (few of them around here) that at the start of spring training told me the Mets should trade DeGrom while his value was high. I told him he was crazy. The Mets couldn't trade DeGrom now that he had recovered from his injury and was pitching well in the early spring. My friends counter was that DeGrom may be an elite talent, but he was totally unreliable. He predicted the Mets would hold onto DeGrom and he would assuredly (in his opinion) break down and again miss most of the season. I believe I was the crazy, misguided participant of of spring conversation.

[Edgy MD]

Well, deGrom has a no-trade clause built into his contract, and even assuming that he'd wave that, any team acquiring him would have to pay the same $32.5 million for the same level of injury risk.



You weren't crazy. For all we know, the Mets did discretely make some overtures, and came up empty.

[whippoorwill]

The sad part is that deGrom seemed so healthy for so long, when all those other pitchers went by the wayside.

[Frayed Knot]

JdG to pitch in a day game on Wednesday in Syracuse for his ?final? rehab start.

[Frayed Knot]

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The sad part is that deGrom seemed so healthy for so long, when all those other pitchers went by the wayside.

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[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: Syndergaard: 118 of 185, two full seasons skipped ('20 - '21) save for two token appearances at the tail end of last year.

Syndergaard's not the same intimidating pitcher he was during his peak Mets year anymore. He's got a pedestrian fastball and he's now regarded as a back of the rotation starter.

[Frayed Knot]

I think "back of the rotation" is a bit harsh for a guy with a better than lg-avg ERA. His K-rate is down and his ERA up about a half R/G as compared

to his NYM years, but his WHIP and other peripherals [hits, BBs, HRs] are in the same neighborhood. Plus it's also just a half-season following two

complete missed ones and, at not yet 30 y/o (late August), there's still lots of time to see what he'll be going forward.





Not that I was talking about any of that though. The only point here is that he, like Wheeler & Harvey, missed around 35% of their potential starts as

Mets while deGrom, who is now frequently referred to as "fragile", was anything but that until this time last year. If tomorrow truly is his final rehab

start prior to recall he'll have around a dozen starts to audition for his next, and likely final, contract this winter. It's going to be an interesting trial.

[whippoorwill]

Frayed Knot wrote: =whippoorwill post_id=100683 time=1658584371 user_id=79] The sad part is that deGrom seemed so healthy for so long, when all those other pitchers went by the wayside.

Yeah, it's really just been the most recent 12 months that he's been unavailable. He made 22 starts during his call-up

year of 2015 which was essentially a full load as the season was 1/4 of the way in when he joined it.

After that:

2016 = 30

2017 = 24

2018 = 31

2019 = 32

2020 (shortened season) = 12

2021 = 15 (right at the halfway point)



Mainly what he avoided was the dreaded TJ surgery (he got his in the low minors). But if you're figuring on 30 starts/year

as a full load, he took the ball over 95% of the time ... until last July and now he hasn't pitched since.

And even with that lengthy absence he's still made about 83% of his ideal number of starts since being promoted.



Contrast that to Harvey, Wheeler, and Syndergaard who all missed more than 1/3 of the starts they could have potentially

made while under NYM control.

Harvey: 104 starts out of an estimated potential of 168, including an entire season missed in 2014

Wheeler: 127 of 197, two full seasons skipped (2015 - 16) plus nearly half of '17

Syndergaard: 118 of 185, two full seasons skipped ('20 - '21) save for two token appearances at the tail end of last year, and only 7 starts in 2017

[Ceetar]

just fwiw, Jacob deGrom has the 14th most IP from 2015-2022 among 309 qualified pitchers.

[MFS62]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Still don't think he'll throw a pitch in the major leagues this season.

I'm starting to think you may be right. (But hoping I'm wrong)

Later

[Edgy MD]

Nobody's putting money down, though.

[smg58]

There is a better chance of his next start moving him forward than killing his season. Granted I'm not sure what to expect when he gets here, but at this point he's very likely to get here.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: JdG to pitch in a day game on Wednesday in Syracuse for his ?final? rehab start.

So, if things go well, we're looking at Monday 8/1 in Washington for his debut, with a home debut coming during one of the Saturday 8/6 doubleheader games against the Braves for his home debut.



The day game is probably the one you're tempted to go with, as he has been most dominant in the daytime, but the night game is the Jacob deGrom Strikeout Counter Bobblehead Giveaway.

[MFS62]

Rehab start today is complete:

4 IP, 2H, 4ER, 3BB, 6K, 2 HR

The most important thing will be how he feels after the game (no report yet)



Later

[Ceetar]

There's close to zero chance he's gonna get shutdown if his arm didn't literally fall off in that start.

[G-Fafif]

[kcmets]

Scroll blurb on ESPN says:



Jacob deGrom goes 4 innings in rehab start

Allows 4 ER, including 2 HR, with 3 BB and 6 K

[G-Fafif]

Jake experienced leg cramps in his final rehab start. Mets call it a non-issue. Panic at will.