It's QO Season

[Gwreck]

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=80831 time=1636470916 user_id=119]I think Boras gets a slightly bad rap. People say Boras makes his players go after the highest dollar no matter what. But I think players hire Boras because they want him to go out and get them the highest dollar no matter what. He works for the players.

[smg58]

If Conforto performs a lot more consistently for somebody else than he did for us, the problem is not with him, the team who signs him, or his agent.



Of course Cohen can pay Conforto if he wants, but Cohen can also afford a quality righthanded bat with better defense. My sentimental attachments end when I think we can do better.

[kcmets]

Not boogeyman-ing him, and I get he does his job.



I won't utter his name here again.

[Gwreck]

I have no problem also recognizing that Boras acts like an asshole.

[MFS62]

=smg58 post_id=80844 time=1636480227 user_id=62]
Of course Cohen can pay Conforto if he wants, but Cohen can also afford a quality righthanded bat with better defense. My sentimental attachments end when I think we can do better.

[Edgy MD]

Oh, I need sentimental attachments. I tend to think they smell nice.

[ashie62]

SCOTT BORAS, so there, Conforto is an idiot turning down 18 million after the barf worthy year he had.



I hope he enjoys it in KC.



I'm not sure uncle Steve wants to pay professional hitters that don't hit.



In fairness the hamstring injury torpedoed Mikey and McNeil.

[smg58]

I'd have taken the offer too if I were Conforto. I don't think he'll get that AAV on the market, and a better year would get him significantly more money next year (especially since it won't be tied to a draft pick). Stroman will make out nicely (hopefully with us) after doing that. I realize there is always a risk of an injury, but I wouldn't want what happened to Stephen Drew to happen to Conforto either.

[bmfc1]

Excuse me, Noah. You practically begged for that QO. The Mets gave you courtesy innings (two of them) because you asked. I hope that this report is false.

[A Boy Named Seo]

That's weird from the Angels standpoint? A one-year deal has gotta be > $18.4M and it surrenders their top draft pick. Wonder if Sandy starts entertaining a somewhat risky extension offer...

[bmfc1]

https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1460627520043241483
FU NS.

[A Boy Named Seo]

WTF

[MFS62]

Let's hope that draft pick turns into something better than a mediocre middle infielder.

At least they didn't also lose LeRoy Stanton, Francisco Estrada and Don Rose.



Later

[The Hot Corner]

For all the "I love New York" talk, Syndergaard dumped the Mets pretty quickly. After being paid for 2 years (without his playing), Noah $how$ where his loyaltie$ lie.

[vtmet7]

The Hot Corner wrote: For all the "I love New York" talk, Syndergaard dumped the Mets pretty quickly. After being paid for 2 years (without his playing), Noah $how$ where his loyaltie$ lie.

I gotta wonder if firing the players liked manager, most of the coaches and dragging their feet on the front office had any influence on his choice.

[Ceetar]

The Hot Corner wrote: For all the "I love New York" talk, Syndergaard dumped the Mets pretty quickly. After being paid for 2 years (without his playing), Noah $how$ where his loyaltie$ lie.

when one said has no front office, coaching staff, etc, and another flys out, sits you down, discusses the plan in detail, collaboratively, of how you're going to excel, and offers you more money..



i mean, yeah?

[metsmarathon]

i don't think for a second that the mets were going to go over the QO. that said, i do think a mets gm being in place could have been in a position to offer a low first year, with incentives, and some interesting options. but we wouldn't have matched $21M guaranteed.

[bmfc1]

The decision not to sign Kumar Rocker might have been right and the Mets did get a 2d 1st round pick but the downside is that the 2d pick is #14 and if the Mets were to sign a FA who rejected a QO, such as Robbie Ray, they would forfeit pick #14 (the 1st pick is #11). No other team has a 2d pick that high. If the Mets signed Rocker, and I'm not saying that they should have, the 2d pick would be around #35 so losing that pick would be seen as less of a drawback. Here, it's a deterrent to signing a "restricted" FA, such as Ray, Marcus Semien, or Nick Castellanos.



From Ken Rosenthal, today in The Athletic:

[bLOCKQUOTE][T]hey are unlikely to add a free agent who rejected a qualifying offer from another club because of the unique circumstances following their failure to sign Kumar Rocker, the 10th selection in this year's amateur draft.

Such a move would cost the Mets their second-highest pick, as well as $500,000 from their international bonus pool. And with the Mets receiving the 11th choice as compensation for losing Rocker, their second-highest pick will be their first rounder, and a fairly high one at that – the 14th selection.

Ten free agents who rejected qualifying offers remain available, including Conforto. Of the others, Semien, left-hander Robbie Ray and outfielder Nick Castellanos would hold greater appeal to the Mets if the acquisition cost did not include the No. 14 pick. [/bLOCKQUOTE]

https://theathletic.com/2973703/2021/11/23/rosenthal-best-bet-for-freddie-freeman-why-rangers-are-so-aggressive-how-high-for-marcus-semien-more-notes/https://theathletic.com/2973703/2021/11/23/rosenthal-best-bet-for-freddie-freeman-why-rangers-are-so-aggressive-how-high-for-marcus-semien-more-notes/

[Ceetar]

Is Rosenthal editorializing or does he have a source for that?



The idea fits in the Mets unspoken rebuild, but that doesn't make it less infuriating all around.

[duan]

Is Rosenthal editorializing or does he have a source for that? The idea fits in the Mets unspoken rebuild, but that doesn't make it less infuriating all around.

He is editorialising logically.

They made such a big deal about the value of the Kumar Rocker pick -

, that they can't then go and 'throw one of them away'.



Of course you could point that they gave the result of one away for 2 months of Javy Baez and so saying you won't sign Marcus Semien for (say) 5 years for something that was only worth 2 months of Javy Baez points to the overall bonkers ness of the whole thing at the moment.

[Ceetar]

if we're gonna purely "it's all just value!" which of course, is nonsense, and there is "value" outside of the owner's balance sheet, it just means the cost for someone like Semien is simply a little larger, and if you think the cost is still worth it, it would still be on-plan, but this always misses the idea that overpaying (it's not overpaying, all players are underpaid) a little for a piece that makes a huge difference on your team is incalculable. The mountain of revenue you gain from getting over the hump and into the playoffs is so enormous that it's almost impossible to seriously say increasing your playoffs odds by a few percentage points isn't worth it.

[duan]

I think we're on the same side here. I'm not saying they're right. I'm explaining that I think Ken Rosenthal has worked his way through to a logical conclusion that the mets actions show that they're not going to sign someone with a QO attached lightly.



You can definitely argue that there's a reason for that, but you can also argue that if the prize is good enough they shouldn't be worried about it. However, the big thing here is that to 'explain' their other actions they have boxed themselves into a corner where to do the latter they'll be looking obviously silly and therefore that will potentially prevent them from making a deal that they would otherwise make if they weren't worried about perception.

[Ceetar]

yeah, no we're agreeing.



I'm just intensely dissatisfied with how the Mets have been handling things lately and the decisions they've made and I find their reasoning, even if individual decision like Marte of Castellanos because of the QO make their own kind of sense, suspect overall. Making decisions because it makes your previous bad decisions look more like a plan is not a good look.

[A Boy Named Seo]

There are a lot of talented players not attached to a QO, though. I wouldn't punt a #14 pick (and $500K international pool dough) on Castellanos when you can go for Bryant instead. Same for Semien when Baez is available. I'd absolutely try to re-stock the farm and the major league level at the same time. Like a good team would.

[Lefty Specialist]

There are three kinds of currency in baseball- Money, players and prospects.



The Mets need to get better, that much is obvious. Money's not a problem with Uncle Steve. There are players you can get without giving up draft picks (who become prospects) and there are players who'll cost you those potential prospects. There's enough of them out there right now that you can significantly improve your team without disturbing the future potential. Every draft pick is a crap shoot, but having both the 11 and 14 pick has to make you feel pretty good about stocking up your minor league system. And while money isn't necessarily that answer every time, like Steven Matz, it'll serve you more often than it won't.



Long way around to say I'd rather get the guys that won't cost picks. You can upgrade the talent at the major league level as well as the minor league level. This is the path I'd like to see the Mets try.

[Edgy MD]

Alderson says there re two types of currency, grouping players and prospects together.



I think there's a lot more.