Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage

[Gwreck]

As has been widely reported, 22 of the 30 MLB clubs have reached the 85% vaccination threshold.



https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31614014/mlb-says-22-teams-now-vaccination-threshold-pace-slowshttps://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31614014/mlb-says-22-teams-now-vaccination-threshold-pace-slows



Somehow, the Mets remain one of the 8 clubs suffering this competitive disadvantage. Curiously, there has been little consolidate reporting of the other 7 teams so affected, but a little googling reports that the Cubs, Diamondbacks, Mariners, Padres, Phillies, Red Sox, and Twins are also needlessly putting themselves at a disadvantage.



It seems odd that there has been little appetite to not press this topic more with team leadership and management.

[Ceetar]

it's odd to me that the MetsBeat just shrugs at this, despite it having obvious benefits to them too. And them having been vocal about the pandemic restrictions being detrimental to their concept of reporting.

[kcmets]

Call me naive, but I assumed all the players on all the teams got shots long ago.

[Gwreck]

I will regrettably call you naive, sir. There are a lot that have not.

[Lefty Specialist]

Lotta vaccine deniers in MLB, regrettably.

[Lefty Specialist]

=Ceetar post_id=68272 time=1623953262 user_id=102]
it's odd to me that the MetsBeat just shrugs at this, despite it having obvious benefits to them too. And them having been vocal about the pandemic restrictions being detrimental to their concept of reporting.

[kcmets]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Lotta vaccine deniers in MLB, regrettably.

I need to come out from under my rock more, I guess. Crazy...

[batmagadanleadoff]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Lotta vaccine deniers in MLB, regrettably.

I'm generalizing here, but to simplify, I'd put those who refuse to get a covid vaccine into two categories:

One - those who harbor serious long term safety concerns about the vaccines because the vaccines were rushed to market in a historically unprecedented manner. No vaccines were ever developed and approved in so short a time prior to covid-19. People in this category will tend to be young and very healthy, like professional athletes;



and



Two - Those nutjobs who think that the government is using the vaccine to inject tracking devices into its recipients, or some other tinfoil QAnon-like stolen election lunatic suspicion.

[roger_that]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Lotta vaccine deniers in MLB, regrettably. I'm generalizing here, but to simplify, I'd put those who refuse to get a covid vaccine into two categories: One - those who harbor serious long term safety concerns about the vaccines because the vaccines were rushed to market in a historically unprecedented manner. No vaccines were ever developed and approved in so short a time prior to covid-19. People in this category will tend to be young and very healthy, like professional athletes; and Two - Those nutjobs who think that the government is using the vaccine to inject tracking devices into its recipients, or some other tinfoil QAnon-like stolen election lunatic suspicion.

Three-- those who would do anything, including "die," if it pisses off a few libtards.

[Edgy MD]

https://twitter.com/drewmagary/status/1405510715847364612

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Drew-Magary-Boo-the-anti-vax-athletes-16252818.phphttps://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Drew-Magary-Boo-the-anti-vax-athletes-16252818.php



I'm not quite there.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not quite there.

OK. No booing.

But is carrying a sign that says, "Why haven't you gotten vaccinated, you asshole?" out of the question?



Later

[Lefty Specialist]

I'll boo. These people are being selfish assholes.

[Ceetar]

I'm generalizing here, but to simplify, I'd put those who refuse to get a covid vaccine into two categories: One - those who harbor serious long term safety concerns about the vaccines because the vaccines were rushed to market in a historically unprecedented manner. No vaccines were ever developed and approved in so short a time prior to covid-19. People in this category will tend to be young and very healthy, like professional athletes;

Simpler: stupid people.



There have been over 3 billion doses. This is an absolutely absurd take and it falls closer to the 'magnets and 5g chip' stance than any legitimate hesitancy. Some of this is poor education by the people supposed to be promoting this stuff, but a lot of it's that these guys lean conservative and while they might not be out and out fascists like the republican party, they still probably do things like listen to Joe Rogan. So any 'safety concerns' are filtered down from the qanon stuff, even if it's not as obvious.





I'll absolutely boo these people. At best they're the guy in the office break room sneezing and coughing all over everything and not covering their mouth, while insisting "I don't get sick". Or the guy that visits a newborn without washing his hands.

[Edgy MD]

I got my vaccine.



But I understand reticence. It's not like pharmaceutical giants have earned the benefit of the doubt. And they're working triple speed, with a huge financial incentive, under the supervision of the Trump administration.



It's not stupidity to admit that we don't know what we don't know. Sometimes, it's just humility.

[Fman99]

Nope. No excuses. No justification. If you haven't gotten a vaccine yet, you're ignorant, or stupid, or you're under age 12, or you're age 12-17 and your parents fall into categories 1-2.

[nymr83]

=Fman99 post_id=68335 time=1623979361 user_id=86]
Nope. No excuses. No justification. If you haven't gotten a vaccine yet, you're ignorant, or stupid, or you're under age 12, or you're age 12-17 and your parents fall into categories 1-2.

[Ceetar]

=nymr83 post_id=68347 time=1623982581 user_id=54]
=Fman99 post_id=68335 time=1623979361 user_id=86]
Nope. No excuses. No justification. If you haven't gotten a vaccine yet, you're ignorant, or stupid, or you're under age 12, or you're age 12-17 and your parents fall into categories 1-2.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I don't see what's so unreasonable about worrying whether or not the covid vaccines needed to go through more testing before being approved. Bad side effects might take a year or even more to manifest themselves.

[Willets Point]

Bad side effects manifest themselves in a day or two after vaccination. I could actually understand a MLB players, especially one on the bubble, not wanting to risk missing games because of bad side effects. But it's June. They really have to take the plunge sometime soon.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Willets Point wrote: Bad side effects manifest themselves in a day or two after vaccination. I could actually understand a MLB players, especially one on the bubble, not wanting to risk missing games because of bad side effects. But it's June. They really have to take the plunge sometime soon.

Or sometimes a month or so. But I get your main point and also agree with you. But so long as science can't definitively rule out the possibility of long term side effects, there are gonna be people reluctant to get a covid vaccine because of these fears, not only because of the expedited approval process but because covid vaccines are brand new with not much of a track record. We're not talking about vaccines with the history of, say, a polio vaccine.

[Fman99]

=Ceetar post_id=68348 time=1623983056 user_id=102]
=nymr83 post_id=68347 time=1623982581 user_id=54]
=Fman99 post_id=68335 time=1623979361 user_id=86]
Nope. No excuses. No justification. If you haven't gotten a vaccine yet, you're ignorant, or stupid, or you're under age 12, or you're age 12-17 and your parents fall into categories 1-2.

[Lefty Specialist]

=nymr83 post_id=68347 time=1623982581 user_id=54]
=Fman99 post_id=68335 time=1623979361 user_id=86]
Nope. No excuses. No justification. If you haven't gotten a vaccine yet, you're ignorant, or stupid, or you're under age 12, or you're age 12-17 and your parents fall into categories 1-2.

[bmfc1]

As a Jets fan, I know that Darnold is not good at making decisions.

[kcmets]

Until tens of thousands start losing their finger nails and blood is pouring out

of their ears and grow third and fourth eyebrows I'm in Camp-Vaccine-Is-Safe.



Can't wait to hear Fauci's eyebrow explanation, that'll be a hoot.

[A Boy Named Seo]

There's at least one other category - minorities and immigrants who have a DEEP distrust of the federal government, especially under it's most recent steward. I have a couple people in my circle who are Mexican immigrants and they feel like the last prez did everything in his power to erase them from America so they're not rushing to get stuck with his emergency vaccine. I wish they'd get jabbed, but, shit, I kinda get it, too.

[kcmets]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: There's at least one other category - minorities and immigrants who have a DEEP distrust of the federal government, especially under it's most recent steward. I have a couple people in my circle who are Mexican immigrants and they feel like the last prez did everything in his power to erase them from America so they're not rushing to get stuck with his emergency vaccine. I wish they'd get jabbed, but, shit, I kinda get it, too.

My city has a large non-citizen Ecuadorian population. I've read on fb community

pages that many are reluctant to get shot for fear of the gubment. The fears are

generally unfounded because we are a sanctuary city but I get it. I also don't know

what's required ID-wise at say a CVS versus a health-care provider when getting

a shot. I had to give a social security number and photo ID. Kinda hard to do when

you have neither so not sure how that all works here.

[nymr83]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Nope. No excuses. No justification. If you haven't gotten a vaccine yet, you're ignorant, or stupid, or you're under age 12, or you're age 12-17 and your parents fall into categories 1-2. Or you have serious medical conditions and your doctor has recommended against it? And that's MORE reason to boo people like Sam Darnold, because they put those people at risk.

I'm all for booing Darnold. I wonder if states could start fucking with opposing sports teams by requiring vaccination. For example if New Jersey said "nobody can be in a sports stadium with more than 1,000 people unless they are vaccinated. period. no exceptions for players" - the league may not be able to make this rule but why couldnt the state?

[nymr83]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: There's at least one other category - minorities and immigrants who have a DEEP distrust of the federal government, especially under it's most recent steward. I have a couple people in my circle who are Mexican immigrants and they feel like the last prez did everything in his power to erase them from America so they're not rushing to get stuck with his emergency vaccine. I wish they'd get jabbed, but, shit, I kinda get it, too. My city has a large non-citizen Ecuadorian population. I've read on fb community pages that many are reluctant to get shot for fear of the gubment. The fears are generally unfounded because we are a sanctuary city but I get it. I also don't know what's required ID-wise at say a CVS versus a health-care provider when getting a shot. I had to give a social security number and photo ID. Kinda hard to do when you have neither so not sure how that all works here.

Trump had nothing to do with the Tuskegee experiments, the distrust of government amongst blacks in particular on the issue of vaccination/medical treatment is not Trump related, but i'm sure it makes you feel good to blame him for everything.

[kcmets]

Where did I mention Trump? By gubment I meant local city gubment. And again,

while that fear is understandable, it's unfounded because citizenship is not an issue

here and it is ignored by city hall and the (city, county and state) police.

[A Boy Named Seo]

It does feel good to blame him, thanks.



Seriously, man, that bigot spent his entire life and presidential term pretending racism isn't real and you think any Black distrust in the vaccine tied to him is unfounded. Cool story, bro.