Luis Rojas on the Hot Seat

[ashie62]

Steve Cohen did not hire him and the Mets stink.

[kcmets]

Lol http://phpbb3.leaptoad.com/mets/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30361http://phpbb3.leaptoad.com/mets/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30361

[MFS62]

Lol http://phpbb3.leaptoad.com/mets/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30361http://phpbb3.leaptoad.com/mets/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30361

Deja vu all over again.

Later

[kcmets]

Just funnin'... i don't think his job is in jeopardy quite yet. Whole division is struggling in the

,500 range. I think they're like a half-game game out of first.

[ashie62]

Give it time

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Sure seems like he'd be next to pay the price should things not turn around.



I dunno if that makes his whacking any more likely, but you know. there are very few jobs like this in the world, it seems like to not have the absolute best guy there is a terrible waste.

[Centerfield]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Sure seems like he'd be next to pay the price should things not turn around. I dunno if that makes his whacking any more likely, but you know. there are very few jobs like this in the world, it seems like to not have the absolute best guy there is a terrible waste.

This is true. But I guess everyone has a different idea of what a manager's role is, so it's hard to judge who is doing a better job than the next guy.



To me, a manager should be good at:



1. In-Game Strategy (substitutions, lineups): Rojas seems bad. Not the worst ever, but not good.



2. Clubhouse Management: I think he's good here. Never heard any complaints about him losing the clubhouse.



3. Just be a smart guy (Stay on top of analytics. Think on the fly. Know your opponent, be creative. Call this the Bobby Valentine intangible.): Rojas seems not quite as sharp as you'd like.



4. Argue with the Umps: When it's not reviewable, go out and get in their face. Demand a huddle/discussion. Ask for help. If you've burned your challenge, go out and demand that they do an umpire review. Show some fire. Most of the time it may not make a difference, but every once in a while, it will. Umpires are human. They should know if they go against you, you're going to get an earful. Also, at the very least, your team can see you are competing and not just rolling over.



5. Be Good with the Press: Rojas is just ok.



6. Don't be a creepy sexual predator: New criteria. Added after the Calloway era.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Yeah I agree with those. There's also adjusting to win with the talent of the team --and the meeting the moments over the course of a long season. This might be the most difficult part and would seem to demand experience: So far Rojas is shitty at this (the team never really pulled out of its ruts last last) but if he's a good manager, those struggles are in the ol' spank-bank and the experience will reveal itself.



Really, all I ask is that the manager



1-run a "0" or better +/- rating on games blown/won by out-strategizing the other manager.



2-Embody the role of being the Mets' manager. Act like that means something!



3-Get on the good side of the press while doing both things above

[batmagadanleadoff]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Sure seems like he'd be next to pay the price should things not turn around. I dunno if that makes his whacking any more likely, but you know. there are very few jobs like this in the world, it seems like to not have the absolute best guy there is a terrible waste. This is true. But I guess everyone has a different idea of what a manager's role is, so it's hard to judge who is doing a better job than the next guy. To me, a manager should be good at:

Like any of that matters. Rojas is a leftover from the Wilpon era, when nobody would wanna work here. The Wilpons would get whatever was left from the bottom of the soup bowl. Like anyone who knew anything about anything would wanna work for Fred and his abusive failson.

[Edgy MD]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: 1-run a "0" or better +/- rating on games blown/won by out-strategizing the other manager. 2-Embody the role of being the Mets' manager. Act like that means something! 3-Get on the good side of the press while doing both things above

I probably have a similar but different list, but I would conclude he's behind the curve on all three.



I mean, #2 is a special challenge arriving in 2020, because it's hard to be the face of the franchise when you have no face. With regard to #3, it's not like he's on the wrong side of the corps at this juncture, but he owes that less to his press performance and more to (a) being young, ( coming from a legendary family of baseball lifers, © coming on board on such shitty circumstances.



The circumstances with the press and he being connected mostly digitally so far is probably a wash. It hasn't helped him get on the good side or the bad side. Anybody who wants to be an just be an elusive enigma, the time has been ripe for it.

[batmagadanleadoff]

This losing keeps up and Rojas won't make it to the all-star break. And let's not forget that the Mets didn't make last year's playoffs when 135% of all teams qualified.

[HahnSolo]

Rojas's lack of understanding the rule about the interpreter mound visits bothered me. I know in the end it probably didn't make all that much of a difference, but felt like the Cardinals pulled one over on the Mets (and the umpires tbf) while our manager just sat there.



Now, I had no idea what the rule was either, but Rojas certainly should have.

[Centerfield]

=HahnSolo post_id=63400 time=1620409630 user_id=63]
Rojas's lack of understanding the rule about the interpreter mound visits bothered me. I know in the end it probably didn't make all that much of a difference, but felt like the Cardinals pulled one over on the Mets (and the umpires tbf) while our manager just sat there.



Now, I had no idea what the rule was either, but Rojas certainly should have.

[TransMonk]

I don't know if Rojas has improved any of his skills as the season has gone on, but I realized last week that seeing him in-game without a mask on gives me a different perspective on his personality. He's had a mask on for nearly all of his time managing the Mets, which led me to perceive him as more passive and indifferent at times because I couldn't see his full facial expressions. Over the past couple of weeks, being able to see him grin or grimace or shout while fired up or giving a cold stare has given me a new glimpse into his managing style. Before he lost the mask, I wasn't sure I trusted him as a leader. I'm sure the winning despite adversity helps, but now I do feel like I'm warming to his managing style because I can see his face.

[Gwreck]

SNY has discussed often that Rojas seems to get on the umps about ball/strike calls. That's fine, but I would also like to see more of that on big calls. The botched replay in Game 1 Saturday called out for it. Obviously the call isn't getting overturned once the replay is over. But since it was so clearly wrong, some discussion is warranted. The umpires rotate through the “replay” position and the guys on the field are going to be the reply official at a later date. Maybe Rojas even gets ejected, but it's a point worth making.

[Edgy MD]

　I've seen Luis' face

　I can now guess his gender, race

　Perhaps his age, I know those shouldn't weigh

　Upon my judgment, but I say

　I've warmed

　Mm-mm-mm-m'mm-mm!



　Had it been the prior year

　With masks that go from ear to ear

　"Nineteen" was printed on his cheek

　But nothing else was there to speak

　For him

　Di-di-di-di'n'di!



　　Leading!

　　I see him leading!

　　Not merely feeding!

　　From Cohen's trough!



　I had never seen him fight

　And show a winning appetite

　He rides the umpires half the night

　Perhaps it's just the winning light

　That's changed

　Di-di-di-di'n'di!



　　Warming!

　　Yes, I am warming!

　　'Cuz he's informing!

　　Me with his face!



　　Trusting!

　　He's who I'm trusting!

　　In this disgusting!

　　Toxic workplace!



　I've seen Luis' face

　As I behold our winning pace

　Despite the offense and the injuries

　The prices and "convenience fees"

　I'll bear

　Mm-mm-mm-di-di-di!



　　Pressors!

　　He handles pressors!

　　Deflects agressors!

　　Who lack his grace!



　　Staring!

　　I see him caring!

　　A stately bearing!

　　Upon that face!

[TransMonk]

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Edgy conceptualizing my thoughts into a Beatles parody makes me smile!

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

lollllol

[MFS62]

=TransMonk post_id=70386 time=1625581282 user_id=71]
I'm sure the winning despite adversity helps, but now I do feel like I'm warming to his managing style because I can see his face.

[Edgy MD]

Luis helped me solve today's Washington Post crossword.



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[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Great song!



He's going to be NL Manager of the Year, I think.

[kcmets]

That would be something!


=kcmets post_id=56679 time=1614005701 user_id=53]
Does Luis Rojas winning manager of the year be considered dark horse?

Yes? I'll go with Luis Rojas.

[Ceetar]

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=70404 time=1625588817 user_id=119]
Great song!



He's going to be NL Manager of the Year, I think.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar pivots.

[Ceetar]

_I'm_ not pivot. I still think he's doing a poor job overall as far as I can tell, but I"m not a voter.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

_I'm_ not pivot. I still think he's doing a poor job overall as far as I can tell, but I"m not a voter.

He's got a Mets team in first place on July 1 missing most of his best players for long stretches and many of the top players who have not been hurt are performing below career averages. He's done a fantastic job. Him, and the front office that is a "mess."

[Ceetar]

wrong.

[Edgy MD]

=Ceetar post_id=70421 time=1625600004 user_id=102]_I'm_ not pivot.

[Ceetar]

There's another BIG thing Rojas could do, as 'management' that would be great for risk management. GET TO 85% VACCINATED.



On top of that, It's extremely narrow-minded to credit him for the 6th string guy doing well but not dock him for the 5th string guy getting hurt. Like, Having these guys ready to go and staying healthy and not playing them through injury is a big part of it, and he's failed, badly.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

ME - He's got a Mets team in first place on July 1 missing most of his best players for long stretches and many of the top players who have not been hurt are performing below career averages. He's done a fantastic job. Him, and the front office that is a "]On top of that, It's extremely narrow-minded to credit him for the 6th string guy doing well but not dock him for the 5th string guy getting hurt. Like, Having these guys ready to go and staying healthy and not playing them through injury is a big part of it, and he's failed, badly.

It's the manager's job to keep players from getting hurt? Is he supposed to sit down with Joey Lucchesi and motivate him to not tear his UCL?



If he's finding a way to win with the guys who were the backups to the backups to the backups -- and that was the lineup I saw in Miami in May -- then he's doing a fantastic job.