It's 2021 and Jacob deGrom still deserves his own thread.

[batmagadanleadoff]

He ain't gonna pitch on Monday either. So the Mets know today, Saturday, that deGrom will be out for at least two more days. I say "at least two more days" because Tuesday ain't guaranteed either.



Me, personally, I'm beginning to have very strong doubts that deGrom's gonna win this year's Cy, let alone the MVP award. I'm starting to doubt that he'll pitch enough innings to even qualify for the ERA title. This is very recurring.

The New York Mets ace will miss his scheduled start on Monday after experiencing forearm tightness in a throwing session on Friday, Mets manager Luis Rojas told reporters, per ESPN. Rojas added that deGrom experienced similar tightness in a bullpen session before the All-Star break, as well.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mets-ace-jacob-de-grom-forearm-tightness-mlb-232935197.htmlhttps://sports.yahoo.com/mets-ace-jacob-de-grom-forearm-tightness-mlb-232935197.html

[Edgy MD]

We've certainly crossed a line, where a pitcher's arm is more of an investment and an asset to protect than a weapon to deploy.



It has led to a a brutal irony, that the more effective pitcher, the more you're going to protect him, rather than the more you're going to look to him to get some wins for your team.



When Tom Seaver was winning his first Cy Young in 1969, he had a few games in there where he had nothing. His arm wasn't coming back in between starts and wasn't responding to whatever crude therapy, and he was actually contemplating retirement. But the Mets kept sending him out there, he found his way back, and his legendary career went on for another 17 years.



I'm not saying it's a better model or anything, but the trend is concerning. I certainly realize that it's not as concerning as deGrom hitting the Injured List or breaking down, but they're pitchers. If you look long enough, you're going to realize that all of their arms are injured in one way or another.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Mets taking Jacob deGrom's comeback slowly



https://nypost.com/2021/07/29/mets-taking-jacob-degroms-comeback-slowly/https://nypost.com/2021/07/29/mets-taking-jacob-degroms-comeback-slowly/



This probably means a Labor Day return.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yeah, but then they'll probably find out that he has an itchy nose, or excessive ear wax, and that will set him back another two weeks.

[batmagadanleadoff]

deGrom's third in bWAR in the NL (5.0) behind only Tatis (5.1) and Wheeler (5.3). He's also tied for 2d in strikeouts. He's got about 35 less IP's than regular starters who haven't missed a start.

[batmagadanleadoff]

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deGrom's third in bWAR in the NL (5.0) behind only Tatis (5.1) and Wheeler (5.3). He's also tied for 2d in strikeouts. He's got about 35 less IP's than regular starters who haven't missed a start.

[Edgy MD]

He theoretically could be so far ahead of the field in rate stats, that he's still could lead NL pitchers in WAR while not qualifying (or barely qualifying) for the ERA title.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: He theoretically could be so far ahead of the field in rate stats, that he's still could lead NL pitchers in WAR while not qualifying (or barely qualifying) for the ERA title.

I don't see that happening unless he returns in the next week (or so) and continues to pitch out of his mind upon his return, like he was pitching all season long. Plus when he returns, I'm sure they'll baby him for a while pitch-count wise. It'll be a minor miracle if he goes more than five innings for a while.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=72838 time=1627582345 user_id=68]
deGrom's third in bWAR in the NL (5.0) behind only Tatis (5.1) and Wheeler (5.3). He's also tied for 2d in strikeouts. He's got about 35 less IP's than regular starters who haven't missed a start.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Assuming that deGrom averages 6.5 innings pitched per start over his remaining starts, he'd have to return in about a week and not miss any more starts to pitch enough innings to qualify for the rates stat leads, including the 2021 ERA crown. Neither of those conditions -- next week's return or the 6.5 IP/avg. look likely at this point.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, all I'm suggesting is that he could still lead among pitchers in any of the varying calculations for WAR.



If he's only 0.3 behind Wheeler, it's certainly not inconceivable that he could outpace a field of one.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Jacob deGrom threw a light side session before [yesterday's] game, according to manager Luis Rojas, and will likely play catch on Friday. The Mets have not announced a timetable for deGrom's return to the rotation, but last weekend a club source indicated “early August” was the probability provided deGrom didn't incur a setback. The Mets ace has been on the injured list for almost two weeks with tightness in his right forearm.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/30/pete-alonsos-mammoth-mets-home-run-put-him-in-rare-company/https://nypost.com/2021/07/30/pete-alonsos-mammoth-mets-home-run-put-him-in-rare-company/



Sunday is August. So early August is next week. If deGrom returns next week, he has a chance to accumulate 162 IP's for this season.



We'll see.

[G-Fafif]

[batmagadanleadoff]

https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1421234736719093764

Yeah, that report a post above yours about deGrom perhaps returning in early August was a week old quote. The more recent stuff had deGrom returning a few weeks beyond early August. I wouldn't be surprised if the "setback" happened way before it was finally reported and the Mets were doing their best to hide so that they wouldn't be fleeced if they were going after a front of the rotation pitcher before the trade deadline.



Coincidence that this was announced after the trade deadline expired?

[ashie62]

https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1421234736719093764

From historic season to something much less.



He throws too hard every pitch.

[smg58]

At this point I would rather have gotten fleeced than gotten nothing on the pitching front.

[Fman99]

Fuck

[batmagadanleadoff]

Jacob deGrom confident ‘frustrating' injury won't end his Mets season



https://nypost.com/2021/08/03/jacob-degrom-confident-hell-return-to-mets-this-season/https://nypost.com/2021/08/03/jacob-degrom-confident-hell-return-to-mets-this-season/

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Why did deGrom feel it necessary to make that statement? Did his injury suddenly rise to the level where it might prevent him from pitching until 2022?



This whole deGrom injury affair seems so opaque.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Or someone might have asked him.

[Edgy MD]

=smg58 post_id=72992 time=1627685449 user_id=62]
At this point I would rather have gotten fleeced than gotten nothing on the pitching front.

[ashie62]

Picking on Dachshunds? Mine 'Pretzel" says uh huh.

[Edgy MD]

Not at all.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Virginia Zakas, writing for The Athletic's Injury Mailbag, is not so optimistic that Jacob deGrom will return this season:



Does it seem likely that Jacob DeGrom will be out for the season? His elbow soreness seems extremely ominous and he's 11 years out from his Tommy John surgery — isn't this roughly the timeline for needing a second one? -— Jon H.



Jacob deGrom initially landed on the IL early in July with inflammation in his forearm. He was expecting a quick return, but that didn't happen. Now he is shut down from throwing again but is describing the pain as being more in his elbow. He was able to rule out ligament damage following an MRI and a CT scan, but he may be dealing with a bone spur in the elbow. This can lead to significant inflammation and pain that is tough to pitch through. deGrom was feeling OK throwing from flat ground, but when he moved to the mound his arm didn't feel right.



Despite this setback, deGrom is confident he will be able to return this season. I'm not so optimistic. He is going to undergo an MRI in about 10 days to track his progress. If the scan is clean he will be cleared to resume throwing. But if it isn't, he could be shut down for the season. deGrom would need 3-4 weeks to ramp back up if things look good and his pain has subsided. At this point I'm not concerned about needing Tommy John surgery, but if he tries to come back before his elbow and forearm are feeling good, he could risk causing damage to that UCL again.



https://theathletic.com/2754072/2021/08/05/injury-mailbag-jacob-degrom-shutdown-concerns-eta-for-kyle-schwarbers-boston-debut-and-more/https://theathletic.com/2754072/2021/08/05/injury-mailbag-jacob-degrom-shutdown-concerns-eta-for-kyle-schwarbers-boston-debut-and-more/

[The Hot Corner]

Jacob deGrom confident ‘frustrating' injury won't end his Mets season.

No, only the Mets season.

[G-Fafif]

It's been one month since the greatest of pitchers last pitched.

[G-Fafif]

[Centerfield]

Rumors are that the Mets have already made the decision to shut down deGrom for the remainder of the season. I'd like to get him back, if nothing else to make sure he's healthy once he ramps up.



It will be one shitty winter if we have to hold our breath and wonder what derailed his season, and whether it will creep back up in March.

[whippoorwill]

I still think the Mets medical staff needs improvement

[G-Fafif]

From your Mets PR dept.:

RHP Jacob deGrom has been transferred to the 60-Day Injured List. DeGrom is eligible to return from the IL on September 13 and his status and timeline remain unchanged.

[nymr83]

=G-Fafif post_id=75064 time=1629486319 user_id=55]
From your Mets PR dept.:

RHP Jacob deGrom has been transferred to the 60-Day Injured List. DeGrom is eligible to return from the IL on September 13 and his status and timeline remain unchanged.