Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

[Frayed Knot]

That doesn't read like a tantrum to me.

[Edgy MD]

It reads as a lot of things, but I wouldn't call tantrum one of them.



Sounds like he's kind of leaning into one, but ...

[nymr83]

I thought Schilling was a surer HOFer, but hey, if he doesn't want in, screw him. next!



Nice to see the underrated Rolen moving up and Andruw Jones had a huge leap in the vote % this year.



Next year should be interesting - Alex Rodriguez is a bigger cheater than Bonds/Clemens i that he got caught and suspended after testing started, does he get shunned like Manny Ramirez has?



David Ortiz is a shoe-in, right?



Mark Texiera should get a long look.



a few interesting careers eligible for the first time - Tim Lincecum was amazing for a few years before fallingg apart, Scott Kazmir's name still makes us cringe, Prince Fielder and Jimmy Rollins?

[Edgy MD]

Think how much it's shooting yourself in the foot to come in first place among all candidates, just short of the induction threshold, reaching a percentage that has meant eventual induction for everybody who has ever gotten as high, and publicly declaring that (a) you quit, and ( you personally don't think you're a Hall-of-Famer anyhow.



That's a guy who makes his agent hit his head against the wall a LOT.

[LWFS]

"I'm not a guy to make excuses, or denigrate others, or seek exoneration from people who never played the game. Now here's several dozen sentences of excuses, passive-aggressive blame of others, and mitigation. By the way, I've got Asperger's (?) and my wife has cancer, and while that doesn't ennoble me, let me mention her four more times in the course of this letter just in case it kindasorta does."



This is meant to be an honorable, face-saving withdrawal. It's casting blame without actually saying, "You're at fault." It's disingenuously, vaguely admitting trespasses without actually admitting to any actual, specific trespasses. It's a non-apology apology. It's bombast in the cloak of dignity. It's a slick little self-encomium. It's "My Way," only marginally politer. And I don't know about you, friends... but I fucking hate "My Way."



And it's "my family and ME," you seditious blowhard, you swollen pink human tumor.

[G-Fafif]

[Edgy MD]

"I'm not a guy to make excuses, or denigrate others, or seek exoneration from people who never played the game. Now here's several dozen sentences of excuses, passive-aggressive blame of others, and mitigation. By the way, I've got Asperger's (?) and my wife has cancer, and while that doesn't ennoble me, let me mention her four more times in the course of this letter just in case it kindasorta does." This is meant to be an honorable, face-saving withdrawal. It's casting blame without actually saying, "You're at fault." It's disingenuously, vaguely admitting trespasses without actually admitting to any actual, specific trespasses. It's a non-apology apology. It's bombast in the cloak of dignity. It's a slick little self-encomium. It's "My Way," only marginally politer. And I don't know about you, friends... but I fucking hate "My Way." And it's "my family and ME," you seditious blowhard, you swollen pink human tumor.

"Never try and impress the people you don't know," my father told me. Now here are the awards I've won, whoever you are.

[Edgy MD]

I don't think I'm a Hall of Famer, but I've chosen Arizona to be the team I represent when I go into the Hall of Fame.



What. The. Fuck?

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I'm not a Hall of Famer and writers suck, therefore the 71% of you who supported my candidacy suck

[A Boy Named Seo]

Yeah I love how he starts off saying the Hall of Fame folks have been "kind and generous" and it ends with but your opinions don't matter and you don't know how to judge a player. Get fucked, Curt.

[kcmets]

I can't do it here, porque es verboten, but changing the r in Curt to an n works...

[Edgy MD]

That open letter of his is sure to be a first ballot unanimous selection for The Humblebragging Hall of Fame, so we're not looking at a total loss.

[TransMonk]

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[Frayed Knot]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Yeah I love how he starts off saying the Hall of Fame folks have been "kind and generous" and it ends with but your opinions don't matter and you don't know how to judge a player.

Well his "kind and generous" is directed towards those who run the HoF. His issue is with those writers/gatekeepers whom he feels have slandered him or otherwise done him wrong.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Frayed Knot wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: Yeah I love how he starts off saying the Hall of Fame folks have been "kind and generous" and it ends with but your opinions don't matter and you don't know how to judge a player. Well his "kind and generous" is directed towards those who run the HoF. His issue is with those writers/gatekeepers whom he feels have slandered him or otherwise done him wrong.

That's fine. He's still as much full of contradictions as he is full of shit, and is trying to act he doesn't want to be in the HOF because the HOF is about to reject him. His ego is as fragile as his idol's.

[Edgy MD]

I just don't get how these guys don't have publicists and agents who say, "Run that shit by me before you do anything."



Mentally, I find myself awake at night rephrasing their statements and communiques all the time, trying desperately to mentally walk back their bullshit. It's like I once dreamed of being a big league player, and now I dream of talking for one.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

This really reads like an already composed acceptance message that was edited upon realizing he'd fall short

[Edgy MD]

Dear Curt,



Please tear up that statement you wrote. You'll thank us tomorrow. The firm has prepared the following.



"A lot of people have contacted me following the recent release of the final tallies in the Hall of Fame voting. I just want to say how humbled I am that 71% of the electorate felt my career was worthy of such a singular honor, according to their necessarily high standards. To see my name atop such an esteemed field of candidates, including colleagues and friends, means the world to myself and my family, whether I'm ultimately invited into that special club or not. Either way, my career has been a blessing."



"I want to thank my fans for the support they've shown, and especially congratulate Derek Jeter, Larry Walker, Ted Simmons, and the late Marvin Miller, whose legacies in this game will be felt through the ages. I look forward to induction weekend where I will be cheering for those guys as loudly as anybody."



If you could bother to show twenty-five cents worth of graciousness, they'd elect you in a minute, and the legacy of your career would continue to enrich your family for decades. Trust us on this. Don't be a numbnuts.



Sincerely,



Crane, Poole, & Associates

Publicists, Public Relations

[Frayed Knot]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: Yeah I love how he starts off saying the Hall of Fame folks have been "kind and generous" and it ends with but your opinions don't matter and you don't know how to judge a player. Well his "kind and generous" is directed towards those who run the HoF. His issue is with those writers/gatekeepers whom he feels have slandered him or otherwise done him wrong. That's fine. He's still as much full of contradictions as he is full of shit, and is trying to act he doesn't want to be in the HOF because the HOF is about to reject him. His ego is as fragile as his idol's.

And I'm certainly not defending the overall content of the piece, or of Shilling himself, merely trying to make distinctions about it.

He's not pissed at the HoF itself but the writers who vote, although I have no idea what percentage of the 29 percent who didn't vote for him are doing so based on his politics which appears to be

his main point even as he throws everything including the kitchen sink at the entire group. The only writer specifically mention is Shaughnessy and I have no idea as to the source or extent of their

feud. So he's trying the tactic where he doesn't even give them one final shot at rejecting him next year which will leave any future yea/nay vote to 'real men' who actually know something about

baseball, namely those on various veterans committees. I have no idea if that will go any better for him or not.

[metsmarathon]

man, it's too bad he's such an a-hole, because the player really oughtta be in already.



I was poking around on fangraphs earlier today, and you could readily say that, well, schilling at his best was better than kershaw at his best, and theres no doubt about kershaw.

schilling also has a better career than verlander, who should eventually get in with ease, and grienke, who should also get some fairly healthy consideration.



and that's without looking at any bloody socks or postseason performance numbers.



i think that many of the voters that are out there trying to say he wasn't that good are in danger of straining their credibility. especially if they lean too heavily into it, and start complaining about win totals.



i mean, you can set your standards as loftily as you like, but if they're so high that schilling-the-player cannot clear them, you're gonna have a hell of a time electing anybody in the coming years.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: So he's trying the tactic where he doesn't even give them one final shot at rejecting him next year which will leave any future yea/nay vote to 'real men' who actually know something about baseball, namely those on various veterans committees. I have no idea if that will go any better for him or not.

Now and then I wonder who the real men are.

[A Boy Named Seo]

I mean, when you make "jokes" about killing journalists (amongst other abhorrent shit he's said), the journalists voting on you may not have any trouble weighting "character" a little more.

[metsmarathon]

i really wish the voters would elect a guy based primarily on his character, to show that it really is a meaningful criteria, and not simply a convenient escape clause.

[MFS62]

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i really wish the voters would elect a guy based primarily on his character, to show that it really is a meaningful criteria, and not simply a convenient escape clause.

[TransMonk]

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[G-Fafif]

Everybody run outside and venerate Derek Jeter and others in Cooperstown in September.

Jane Forbes Clark, Chairman of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, announced today that this summer's Induction Ceremony will take place at 1:30 p.m. ET on Wednesday, Sept. 8 in front of limited crowds as an outdoor ticketed event on the grounds of the Clark Sports Center. The Induction Ceremony will be broadcast live exclusively on MLB Network. Planning continues to be adapted to guidelines set forth by the Centers for Disease Control and the State of New York. “On behalf of our Board of Directors and our Staff, we are thrilled to be able to welcome our Hall of Famers – the living legends – and fans back to Cooperstown to celebrate the Induction of the Class of 2020,” Clark said. “Returning the Induction Ceremony to an outdoor event will provide the baseball community with the opportunity to visit Cooperstown and celebrate the Induction of four of the game's Greats.” The Hall of Fame's 2021 Induction Ceremony will honor the members of the Class of 2020: Derek Jeter, Marvin Miller, Ted Simmons and Larry Walker. No candidates were elected for Induction in 2021. Lawn seating at the Induction Ceremony will be free, but unlike past years when seating was open, tickets will be required. Beginning at 11 a.m. ET on Monday, July 12, a limited number of tickets will be made available to fans exclusively here. At this time, seating areas will be designated for vaccinated and unvaccinated ticket holders. The Hall of Fame's Annual Awards Presentation will remain an indoor, television-only event, taking place on Saturday, July 24, with the Award Winners or their representatives being invited back to Cooperstown to be recognized at the Induction Ceremony. The Awards Presentation will honor 2021 Ford C. Frick Award winner for broadcasting excellence, Al Michaels, and the 2020 Frick Award winner, Ken Harrelson; the 2021 Baseball Writers' Association of America Career Excellence Award winner, Dick Kaegel, and the 2020 BBWAA Career Excellence Award winner, Nick Cafardo; and the 2020 Buck O'Neil Lifetime Achievement Award winner, David Montgomery.

https://baseballhall.org/news/induction-ceremony-shifts-to-september-8https://baseballhall.org/news/induction-ceremony-shifts-to-september-8

[MFS62]

=G-Fafif post_id=67390 time=1623269760 user_id=55]
Everybody run outside and venerate ... the 2020 Frick Award winner, Ken Harrelson;

[Lefty Specialist]

Harrelson was quite possibly the worst baseball announcer ever. I'd give the award to Steve Gelbs before him.

[Edgy MD]

Unfortunately, the announcer awards are far more a product of longevity and brand than some source of objective quality.


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i really wish the voters would elect a guy based primarily on his character, to show that it really is a meaningful criteria, and not simply a convenient escape clause.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Unfortunately, the announcer awards are far more a product of longevity and brand than some source of objective quality. i really wish the voters would elect a guy based primarily on his character, to show that it really is a meaningful criteria, and not simply a convenient escape clause. Well, there's no reason considering it as a factor should mean that one has to consider it a primary factor.

It almost kept Eddie Murray out and is possibly the only thing that kept Albert Belle out. The were "guilty" of the same thing - they pissed off the reporters covering their team.

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