Poor-Sell-Oh

[Centerfield]

One year deal. Per Ken Rosenthal.

[Guest 41Forever]

=Centerfield post_id=28246 time=1576160115 user_id=65]
One year deal. Per Ken Rosenthal.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Guest

[smg58]

Awesome one season and eh for the other 10. Appears to be heading in the wrong direction. Well at least it makes the Wacha signing look like a good depth signing. But it doesn't come close to replacing Wheeler.

[smg58]

=41Forever post_id=28247 time=1576160381 user_id=69]
=Centerfield post_id=28246 time=1576160115 user_id=65]
One year deal. Per Ken Rosenthal.

[Guest 41Forever]

I think the way they are looking at is is Stroman replaces Wheeler, and Porcello/Wacha replaces Vargas.

[MFS62]

If it gives them flexibility to do other things, and keeps innings away from the still soft middle of the bullpen, it can't hurt.

Later

[Lefty Specialist]

Hmm. I guess Wacha is the swing man out of the bullpen now? Porcello's on the toboggan ride downhill, too. I dunno, I'm confused.

[LWFS]

He's been pretty awful in odd years, and good-to-very-good in even years. So... he's due?

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

OK for a flyer I guess. Will replace Panik and Frazier as obligatory "local guy."



Looking at his career stats what jumps out is leading the AL in victories in 2016 and in losses in 2017.

[LWFS]

Making the same dollhairs as Jed Lowrie. Gun to head... who gives us more value this year(directly or indirectly), d'ya think?

[Gwreck]

Seems like another potentially useful part but not the upgrade the team requires to be competitive.

[MFS62]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: OK for a flyer I guess. Will replace Panik and Frazier as obligatory "local guy." Looking at his career stats what jumps out is leading the AL in victories in 2016 and in losses in 2017.

He joins Steve Carlton and Phil Niekro as pitchers who have led their league in both wins and losses (Niekro did both in 1979).

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[Vic Sage]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: OK for a flyer I guess.

a flyer shouldn't cost $10m.

[Ceetar]

rough glance suggests record high fastball usage last year. Record low sinkers. I don't really know what to make of that. grip/break/juiced ball thing? He's got a 10+ year streak of basically being at least league average. That's actually immensely valuable and also Mike Pelfrey level infuriating. (Pelf did the odd/even year thing for a while too)



Depending how 2020 turns out Jeremy Hefner might really make a name for himself.

[Edgy MD]

=smg58 post_id=28249 time=1576160677 user_id=62]Rosenthal should just stop. Our biggest need was starting pitching, which has NOT been adequately addressed, and now we're going to make our rotation even worse just to move Lowrie's contract?

[kcmets]

Splendid thread title, btw...

[bmfc1]

Having 6 SPs is not too much so you can trade one of them, especially when one (Wacha) has had injuries in the last two years.



Peter Gammons speaks of Porcello's intellect for pitching so he will be a good Gelbs interview. You know that he will do everything he can for a big season so he can make even more money as a FA after next season.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Vic Sage wrote: Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: OK for a flyer I guess. a flyer shouldn't cost $10m.

Who cares. It's still a low-risk flyer as I see it

[A Boy Named Seo]

The Mets must have discovered that the new market inefficiency are dudes coming off career lows in K/9 and velocity and career highs in ERA.

The Mets must have discovered that the new market inefficiency are dudes coming off career lows in K/9 and velocity and career highs in ERA.



The Dodgers have routinely employed 7 or 8 starting pitchers the last few seasons, to cover for injuries and allow the team to manage workloads. I love that approach, but damn, Wacha and Porcello don't exactly scream "quality" to go along with that necessary quantity.

[Lefty Specialist]

Edgy MD wrote: I disagree pretty readily that the team's biggest offseason need is or was starting pitching.

Yeah, I'd place the 'campfire in the tinder-dry forest' bullpen as Job 1.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Sigh.More broken toys for Xmas. What next: Pete Gray?

[Ceetar]

better than a broken record

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Ceetar post_id=28279 time=1576173427 user_id=102]
better than a broken record

[batmagadanleadoff]

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=Ceetar post_id=28279 time=1576173427 user_id=102]
better than a broken record

[Ceetar]

broken record. you say the same things, and yet I'm the one over here happily enjoying baseball and the Mets.



It always sounds like i'm saying the same things because you've decided you're going to needlessly exaggerate every modicum of positivity to the extreme. "long stretch of being league average, which is useful" becomes 25 game winner, like pitcher wins even means anything.



But go ahead, tell me how re-signing a pitcher you already had and letting your star 3B go is an upgrade.

[batmagadanleadoff]

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But go ahead, tell me how re-signing a pitcher you already had and letting your star 3B go is an upgrade.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Ceetar post_id=28285 time=1576175424 user_id=102]
, and yet I'm the one over here happily enjoying baseball and the Mets.

[Centerfield]

=41Forever post_id=28247 time=1576160381 user_id=69]
=Centerfield post_id=28246 time=1576160115 user_id=65]
One year deal. Per Ken Rosenthal.

[batmagadanleadoff]

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=Ceetar post_id=28285 time=1576175424 user_id=102]


But go ahead, tell me how re-signing a pitcher you already had and letting your star 3B go is an upgrade.

[Ceetar]

continue to say I said things I didn't say, go ahead.



oh and pretend you're objective, sure. That's believable.



Why are you talking about Wheeler? The Mets rotation is probably slightly worse overall right now than it was last year, but not noticeably so and obviously things don't play exactly to talent, could go either way, though a guy like Porcello is pretty steady, which is a hell of a lot more than you could say about Jason Vargas.



Everyone keeps spouting off about 'competitive in the division' like the Mets aren't already there, and are making offseason moves. Maybe not the "potentially dominate the division" ones that signing Rendon and Cole and Ryu would've been, but you're not being objective if you don't think, at this moment, the Mets are a reasonable guess to win the division/make the playoffs.