2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

A Boy Named Seo · December 13, 2019

Holy shit, this is wild! Would love to hear the details of how this all went down.

kcmets · December 13, 2019

Probably broke some contractual clause(s) and didn't have an ankle to stand on.

What's most interesting is how things are kept under wraps these days.

Ceetar · December 13, 2019

people too busy insinuating that Cespedes wasn't trying to get back in 2019 because he's lazy, despite not being paid all year.

Wonder if we'll get more details on that, or his prognosis now that everyone's on the same page, legally speaking.

Johnny Lunchbucket · December 13, 2019

They say he can make back some but not all of $$ thru performance bonuses.

He should definitely juice his way back, get called on it, then argue its the mets who deserve punishment

kcmets · December 13, 2019

I don't recall such insinuations here, dude obviously something wrong.

A Boy Named Seo · December 13, 2019

How many of you are as amazed as I am that this didn't leak one way or another last season?

Sounds like the Mets knew he was full of shit about stepping in a hole but couldn't quite prove it. Whatever they had was enough for Ces to buckle and not get dragged in the court of public opinion. Trying to think of reasons why Cespedes agrees to this unless they have some kinda goods on him.

Lefty Specialist · December 13, 2019

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Probably broke some contractual clause(s) and didn't have an ankle to stand on.

What's most interesting is how things are kept under wraps these days.

Edgy MD · December 13, 2019

Well, the Mets probably have a co-plaintiff in the insurance carrier, and those guys investigate the hell out of multi-million-dollar payoffs.

Benjamin Grimm · December 13, 2019

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batmagadanleadoff · December 13, 2019

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people too busy insinuating that Cespedes wasn't trying to get back in 2019 because he's lazy, despite not being paid all year.

batmagadanleadoff · December 13, 2019

Edgy MD wrote:

Well, the Mets probably have a co-plaintiff in the insurance carrier, and those guys investigate the hell out of multi-million-dollar payoffs.

They probably have strong medical evidence that Yoenis could not have possibly reinjured himself the way he claims he did. Not likely that the Mets have eyewitness evidence.

Johnny Lunchbucket · December 13, 2019

It turns out you can make this stuff up.

What a disaster

Ceetar · December 13, 2019

people too busy insinuating that Cespedes wasn't trying to get back in 2019 because he's lazy, despite not being paid all year.

Ohferrchrissakes! Yoenis is a sweet little angel who could not have possibly breached his contract because Mets can do no wrong ever. And Fred Willpon didnt screw Yoenis out of contract money because Mets owners can do no wrong ever, either. This is a crazy clash of unbelievable events that is likely to alter the space time continuum just like The Doc always sez. Fasten your seatbelts.

no, fuck that. This is Cespedes money and he shouldn't have to give it up for a fucking accident. This is literally "you got cancer so we're canceling your insurance" territory. Sure, if they think he was doing stunt jumps in a thunderstorm or playing Misery with a friend, I get it.

Hell, if they do HAVE medical evidence that it was more than just what he said, it was probably voluntarily given to them by Cespedes under the guise of them helping him heal and rehab.

This is mildly better than voiding a contract for "going to the wrong doctors" but damn, it's a slippery slope to teams voiding your contract for simply getting hurt in any way off the field. Or using the wrong trainer. Or hell, the trainer said take it easy and you did an extra rep and strained your hamstring. oops, voided.

Whlie we're at it, his money shouldn't count against the CBT, there shouldn't be a CBT, and the Mets shouldn't care about the CBT.

batmagadanleadoff · December 13, 2019

people too busy insinuating that Cespedes wasn't trying to get back in 2019 because he's lazy, despite not being paid all year.

Ohferrchrissakes! Yoenis is a sweet little angel who could not have possibly breached his contract because Mets can do no wrong ever. And Fred Willpon didnt screw Yoenis out of contract money because Mets owners can do no wrong ever, either. This is a crazy clash of unbelievable events that is likely to alter the space time continuum just like The Doc always sez. Fasten your seatbelts.

no, fuck that. This is Cespedes money and he shouldn't have to give it up for a fucking accident. This is literally "you got cancer so we're canceling your insurance" territory. Sure, if they think he was doing stunt jumps in a thunderstorm or playing Misery with a friend, I get it.

Hell, if they do HAVE medical evidence that it was more than just what he said, it was probably voluntarily given to them by Cespedes under the guise of them helping him heal and rehab.

This is mildly better than voiding a contract for "going to the wrong doctors" but damn, it's a slippery slope to teams voiding your contract for simply getting hurt in any way off the field. Or using the wrong trainer. Or hell, the trainer said take it easy and you did an extra rep and strained your hamstring. oops, voided.

Whlie we're at it, his money shouldn't count against the CBT, there shouldn't be a CBT, and the Mets shouldn't care about the CBT.

He's obligated to provide the Mets with his medical records, probably whenever the Mets want them. You think the Mets are gonna pay Yoenis a king's fortune to play a sport and not know his state of health? What's the matter with you?

Ceetar · December 13, 2019

He's a human not a slave

batmagadanleadoff · December 13, 2019

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He's a human not a slave

Ceetar · December 13, 2019

We have laws on this country you know. Barely, but still. Your employer does not have that right.

Gwreck · December 13, 2019

This is Cespedes money and he shouldn't have to give it up for a fucking accident. This is literally "you got cancer so we're canceling your insurance" territory. Sure, if they think he was doing stunt jumps in a thunderstorm or playing Misery with a friend, I get it.

Hell, if they do HAVE medical evidence that it was more than just what he said, it was probably voluntarily given to them by Cespedes under the guise of them helping him heal and rehab.

This is mildly better than voiding a contract for "going to the wrong doctors" but damn, it's a slippery slope to teams voiding your contract for simply getting hurt in any way off the field. Or using the wrong trainer. Or hell, the trainer said take it easy and you did an extra rep and strained your hamstring. oops, voided.

No.

Obviously there are not many details publicly known but a. The Mets cannot “void” a contract; b. people can agree to any number of things in a contract, including prohibitions on any number of activities; c. Your comment has tons of assumptions that you have no idea whether they are true or not.

If Céspedes agreed to renegotiate a contract in the face of a grievance filed by the Mets (which is what was reported), then a fair inference is that Cespedes did not have the greatest bargaining power and/or faced a real chance of losing that grievance. Why he was in that position is of course still speculation. Your comment remains wildly inaccurate.

Ceetar · December 13, 2019

a. the Mets literally just stopped paying him.

b. sure, and that's mostly unfair. These contracts are almost always, except for the actual salary, in favor of protecting ownership. It's the same way in any industry. If they weaseled a "no horse riding" thing into the contract and Cespedes and his agent didn't feel like fighting it (Let's leave aside that that agent is literally the one that's not paying him now) that doesn't make it fair or alright. Signing your rights away is not cool. Especially for something as tame as horse riding. Sure, maybe he did something super dangerous, but that seems less likely on his own ranch.

c. Yes, lots of assumptions, but they're pretty damn safe assumptions.

Frayed Knot · December 13, 2019

no, fuck that. This is Cespedes money and he shouldn't have to give it up for a fucking accident.

If it was an accident caused by him doing something that his contract specifically prohibited his from doing then, yeah, he might have to give up some or all of it.

This is literally "you got cancer so we're canceling your insurance" territory.

It's not only "literally" not that, it isn't remotely close to that.

It's much closer to: We will pay you X amount to play baseball for this time period and will continue to do so even if you get hurt unless you get hurt while hang gliding ... and then you get hurt going hang gliding!!

Hell, if they do HAVE medical evidence that it was more than just what he said, it was probably voluntarily given to them by Cespedes under the guise of them helping him heal and rehab.

Maybe, maybe not. Aaron Boone voluntarily offered that he blew out his knee (leading to the complete canceling of his contract and later the ARod trade to NYY) while playing pickup basketball, an activity

almost universally prohibited in sports contracts including for basketball players. Others have not been so forthcoming. I remember Jeff Kent telling the Astros his injury occurred after he slipped while

washing his truck. Turned out that the truth was slightly different: he crashed while doing wheelies on his motorcycle.

... it's a slippery slope to teams voiding your contract for simply getting hurt in any way off the field.

That implies that a team can simply decide to do so unilaterally and that getting hurt "in any way" can be used as justification. But any attempt to do so would involve the CBA, the MLBPA, insurers,

agents, lawyers, grievance processes, arbitration, and/or courts of law. This sounds like it may have been a negotiated settlement between the two parties in lieu of taking it to any of that apparatus.

Whlie we're at it, his money shouldn't count against the CBT, there shouldn't be a CBT, and the Mets shouldn't care about the CBT.

I have no idea what the CBT is although I've preemptively eliminated the Connecticut Bank and Trust.

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Ceetar · December 13, 2019

competitive balance tax.

riding a horse, if that's what we're inferring I guess, I can't even imagine what else we could be thinking. Does he run with the bulls on his ranch? was he fixing a fence? He was literally at his house. Which is where most accidents happen, but still, like, did the Mets make a guy who owns horses sign a contract that he wouldn't ride a horse on his own private property? Riding a horse isn't an inherently dangerous thing.

LWFS · December 13, 2019

You know people get killed being thrown or falling from horses? Like, a LOT. (Something like 1 serious, life-threatening injury every 300 hours riding.) Never mind fractures, ligament tears and crush injuries.

I'm all about employee rights in the face of unreasonable employer demands... but this isn't that.

Sure, maybe he did something super dangerous, but that seems less likely on his own ranch.

"Does it?"

-Jayson Williams, Madison Bumgarner, Jeff Kent, Jason Pierre-Paul, and various others

batmagadanleadoff · December 14, 2019

You know people get killed being thrown or falling from horses? Like, a LOT. (Something like 1 serious, life-threatening injury every 300 hours riding.) Never mind fractures, ligament tears and crush injuries.

I'm all about employee rights in the face of unreasonable employer demands... but this isn't that.

Sure, maybe he did something super dangerous, but that seems less likely on his own ranch.

"Does it?"

-Jayson Williams, Madison Bumgarner, Jeff Kent, Jason Pierre-Paul, and various others

Horses are inherently dangerous, especially because they can be unpredictable. They're enormously powerful beasts and they can easily --and I really mean easily-- kill a person with just one kick. And if they don't kill you with that kick, they can destroy your bones as easy as you and I can snap apart a set of chopsticks.

batmagadanleadoff · December 14, 2019

You know people get killed being thrown or falling from horses? Like, a LOT. (Something like 1 serious, life-threatening injury every 300 hours riding.) Never mind fractures, ligament tears and crush injuries.

I'm all about employee rights in the face of unreasonable employer demands... but this isn't that.

Sure, maybe he did something super dangerous, but that seems less likely on his own ranch.

"Does it?"

-Jayson Williams, Madison Bumgarner, Jeff Kent, Jason Pierre-Paul, and various others

Horses are inherently dangerous, especially because they can be unpredictable. They're enormously powerful beasts and they can easily --and I really mean easily-- kill a person with just one kick. And if they don't kill you with that kick, they can destroy your bones as easy as you and I can snap apart a set of chopsticks.

I just thought of this, too: not only is Yoenis obligated to provide the Mets with his medical records unconditionally under his regular MLB contract, as I already said, -- but in addition, there's surely a clause in the insurance contract the Mets took out on Cespedes that's been kicking in -- obligating Cespedes to also provide the insurer with his medical records as well. Yoenis had to sign that insurance contract, or else the Mets wouldn't have given him the underlying contract in the first place. Or if Yoenis didn't sign that insurance agreement, that's likely because there would already be a clause in his regular MLB contract obligating him to provide his medical records to an insurer in connection with any insurance agreement related to his MLB contract. An insurer isn't gonna pay out for injuries without examining the relevant medical records. That's just crazy talk -- that Cespedes would sign a $110M contract that the owners would then insure, but neither the owners or the insurer should be allowed access to Cespedes's medical records.

Edgy MD · December 14, 2019

Edgy MD wrote:

Well, the Mets probably have a co-plaintiff in the insurance carrier, and those guys investigate the hell out of multi-million-dollar payoffs.

They probably have strong medical evidence that Yoenis could not have possibly reinjured himself the way he claims he did. Not likely that the Mets have eyewitness evidence.

Yeah, I mean to suggest medical investigation as much as or more than the gumshoe kind.

What did I miss? Does Yoenis Céspedes have cancer or not?