MFY 2K18

[Guest 41Forever]

Apparently MFYs don't care about fan safety, tell bicyclists they're not allowed to bring their helmets into the stadium. They ban laptops, too. (Mets allow both)

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/09/07/absurd-yankee-stadium-rule-forbids-fans-from-bringing-their-bike-helmets-into-ballpark/

[nymr83]

Public Service Announcement: MFYs being no-hit through 6 innings by Jake Odorizzi,

[Edgy MD]

The Yankees Crossed a Hotel Strike Picket Line in Boston

[bmfc1]

Yankee fan dumps beer on Oakland fan at NMFYS:
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Oakland figured out who their fan was, via Twitter, and will be sending him new A's gear and inviting him to a home game. I wonder if MFY management is trying to track down the dope that dumped the beer on the guy.

[seawolf17]

bmfc1 wrote: I wonder if MFY management is trying to track down the dope that dumped the beer on the guy.

They'll probably retire his number.

[Centerfield]

seawolf17 wrote: bmfc1 wrote: I wonder if MFY management is trying to track down the dope that dumped the beer on the guy. They'll probably retire his number.

Hey, did anyone see a loud obnoxious douchebag sitting in this area on Wednesday? Anyone? No?

[MFS62]

Centerfield wrote: seawolf17 wrote: bmfc1 wrote: I wonder if MFY management is trying to track down the dope that dumped the beer on the guy. They'll probably retire his number. Hey, did anyone see a loud obnoxious douchebag sitting in this area on Wednesday? Anyone? No?

They told the FBI they could only interview three people.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Centerfield wrote: seawolf17 wrote: bmfc1 wrote: I wonder if MFY management is trying to track down the dope that dumped the beer on the guy. They'll probably retire his number. Hey, did anyone see a loud obnoxious douchebag sitting in this area on Wednesday?

That's like asking someone on a street in Oslo if they've seen any blondes walk by.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Well, whoever threw the beer wasn't too smart. Those beers are like $12 each. Well, that and they're a Yankee fan so they obviously aren't overly bright.

[Frayed Knot]

Ken Davidoff, NYPost: "... the 3.4 offensive WAR [stanton] put up for the Yankees this season, as per BB-Ref, put him on par with the Marlins’ Starlin Castro, one of the players the Yankees traded
for him ... and that value ranked smack in the middle — four years better, four years worse — for Stanton’s career.


iow, it's not like they can claim he underperformed for them (except for those who believe that putting on the pinstripes is supposed to add 150 points to one's OPS). On the contrary, he gave them
right about what they should expect and, unlike much of GS's career so far, he went uninjured in this one and was available for every game this season.
But, hey, at least he paid off in defensive value ... Oh wait, it's Castro who's the middle infielder while Stanton DH'd more than half the season and did so almost exclusively down the stretch and
into the playoffs.

Oh well, they only owe $239 million more (give or take) thru 2027/28 to the guy who turns 29 in a few weeks.

[Edgy MD]

Stanton aside, the team had holes at catcher, first, and left this season — positions I imagine they thought they were strong at. Though Luke Volt saved first from being a total loss.

And Jacoby Ellsbury continues to make David Wright look like a bargain. It'll be interesting to see if the Yankees zag this off-season or double-down on the zig.

[Centerfield]

I'm not sure what zig or zag means, but I think there is little doubt as to what the Yankees are going to do this offseason. They slashed payroll this year to get underneath the luxury tax so they could re-set and spend big on this free agent class.

How much can they spend?

Mere dollar figures might not do justice to how much room the Yankees have to spend this winter, so let’s put it another way: New York could sign Patrick Corbin, Clayton Kershaw, and Manny Machado and still end up spending the same amount on payroll and taxes as they did in the 2015 and -16 seasons. The Yankees have an enormous amount of payroll room and virtually no limits on players they can acquire.

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-yankees-have-a-lot-of-payroll-to-use/

We all had fun watching the Red Sox eliminate the Yankees on Tuesday. Understand that this is as good as it's going to get for us in the near future. October baseball means that the Mets are home, and we all hope that any other team in baseball can somehow eliminate the Yankees.

[Guest 41Forever]

Centerfield wrote: October baseball means that the Mets are home, and we all hope that any other team in baseball can somehow eliminate the Yankees.

*Unless you count two of of the last four years, when the Mets were in the playoffs.

[Centerfield]

41Forever wrote: Centerfield wrote: October baseball means that the Mets are home, and we all hope that any other team in baseball can somehow eliminate the Yankees. *Unless you count two of of the last four years, when the Mets were in the playoffs.

I know! And in one of those years we even stuck around long enough to make a series!

I'd be curious to know if you really think your "pivots" are effective. 2 of the last 4 is absolutely correct. But do you think this is a true representation of the Mets fan's experience? Or is 2 of the last 12 a better representation? Or 3 of the last 16 years since the Wilpons took full control?

Do you realize that the Yankees have made the playoffs 20 out of the last 24 years?

I guess you'd agree with Fred that it's unsustainable.

[Ceetar]

Oh man, I really do hope the Yankees get spend-happy. It'll be like when they splurged in 2009. They got a good three years or so out of that class, and managed to win it all once, but it was a big reason they were up against it until recently. They have a budget and a limit as well, and spending it all at once is almost never a good idea.

Additionally, a lot of teams will be spending this offseason. Teams have been planning for it. Yankees might not be able to overspend on the top 3 or so guys and might again have to overspend on the second tier guys which is where you can get into trouble.

[Centerfield]

Ceetar wrote: Oh man, I really do hope the Yankees get spend-happy. It'll be like when they splurged in 2009. They got a good three years or so out of that class, and managed to win it all once, but it was a big reason they were up against it until recently. They have a budget and a limit as well, and spending it all at once is almost never a good idea. Additionally, a lot of teams will be spending this offseason. Teams have been planning for it. Yankees might not be able to overspend on the top 3 or so guys and might again have to overspend on the second tier guys which is where you can get into trouble.

I know right? And maybe if they spend like idiots again, they'll have another 10 year period where they only win the World Series once, make the playoffs 7 out of 10 years, win 90+ games 6 times, including 2 100 win seasons, and have to suffer through a few down seasons where they only win 84 games!

What losers!

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure what zig or zag means, but I think there is little doubt as to what the Yankees are going to do this offseason. They slashed payroll this year to get underneath the luxury tax so they could re-set and spend big on this free agent class.

Zig: Continue going in the direction that put you on this course.
Zag: Forsake that direction and go in another.

[Ceetar]

They got some best case scenario stuff out of that.

[Centerfield]

Right. Best case scenario.

Even if what you are saying is true, they put themselves in a position where those results were possible. Unless there is a wholesale shift in philosophy, the Mets can't even imagine sniffing such results in a 10 year span.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I hope that there is that wholesale shift in philosophy with the new GM.

I don't honestly think it's going to happen, but I hope it does.

The Mets have nine postseason appearances in the last fifty seasons. Eight in the forty-eight years that I've been a fan. The rarity does make each visit to the postseason all the more special, but the hell with that.

[Ceetar]

*Looks at Mets roster*

*Looks at available players*

They're not coming from the same place as the 2008 Yanks, but I'd put reasonable odds on them being a generally above average team for most of the next 10 years with a few playoff appearances.

Regardless, this was a thread about the Yankees right? They'll definitely be able to hit in 2019, but let's see what they do about the pitching. They've had a great bullpen for a while, but bullpens and relievers go bad fast. If they make the wrong moves, they could have a lot of issues.

[Guest 41Forever]

Centerfield wrote: Centerfield wrote: October baseball means that the Mets are home, and we all hope that any other team in baseball can somehow eliminate the Yankees. *Unless you count two of of the last four years, when the Mets were in the playoffs. I know! And in one of those years we even stuck around long enough to make a series! I'd be curious to know if you really think your "pivots" are effective. 2 of the last 4 is absolutely correct. But do you think this is a true representation of the Mets fan's experience? Or is 2 of the last 12 a better representation? Or 3 of the last 16 years since the Wilpons took full control? Do you realize that the Yankees have made the playoffs 20 out of the last 24 years? I guess you'd agree with Fred that it's unsustainable.

I'm an optimist. I like to dwell on the positive things. I focus on what I have, not what I think I'm owed. I enjoyed that my team went to the postseason twice in the last four years. What the Yankees did is irrelevant to me. Not a fan - but I like it when they lose! Just my opinion. Don't expect everyone to agree.

Edited October 11, 2018 by Guest

[Centerfield]

I'm an optimist. I like to dwell on the positive things. I focus on what I have, not what I think I'm owed. I enjoyed that my team went to the postseason twice in the last four years. What the Yankees did is irrelevant to me. Not a fan - but I like it when the lose! Just my opinion. Don't expect everyone to agree.

I know I've said it before, but it continues to astound me how little regard you have for the truth. I don't think you even understand it as a concept. And you use words like "optimist" to rationalize what you do.

Let's take a look at what just happened. I said that our Octobers have been reduced to rooting for the Yankees to lose. Now, I guess it's possible you thought I meant this in the absolute, but since you know I am a Mets fan and actively participate on this board, it's not likely you thought I was unaware of 2015 and 2016. Realistically, you knew my point, which is that generally the Mets don't make the playoffs, and the Yankees do, and we, as Mets fans, spend our Octobers rooting for them to lose, and unless something changes, this is what it's going to be going forward.

Now, let's look at your response.

*Unless you count two of of the last four years, when the Mets were in the playoffs.

What did you mean by this? Did you think I was not counting those years? Again, not likely. You know that I am very aware of those years. And even if that was your point, you would have said "Unless you count 2015 and 2016". But that's not what you said. You specifically made it a point to couch this as 2 of the last 4 years. Why? Your inference is that it's 50%, and as such, the Mets make the playoffs regularly.

Your inference is patently not true. But you don't care that it's not true. It advances your agenda, your previously stated position, that everything is fine. You try to couch this as "optimism". But it's not that. Optimism is an expression of hope. This is not hopeful. This is misleading. It suggests a conclusion that is objectively not true. The Mets do not make the playoffs regularly.

I'll demonstrate optimism.

Yeah, it's not been great, but you know, I like that they're interviewing the analytics guy from Tampa. Maybe things can get better going forward and we can root for our own team next year.

This is actual optimism. It's an expression of hope. It doesn't attempt to refute or spin or "pivot" from established fact. It doesn't attempt to create an inaccurate picture for the reader.

Let's say a non baseball fan asked me in September, "Hey CF, how are the Mets doing?"

I can give a 41Forever answer:

They've won 6 out of their last 7 and just destroyed Boston 8-0!

This statement is true, but it's intentionally misleading. The Mets are terrible, but this answer is meant to create a false conclusion for the reader.

Now, let's try an optimist's answer:

Eh, pretty crappy. But their young kids are coming around, and we are playing much better since they got called up. So high hopes for next year!

It's pretty clear to me that you don't understand the distinction between those statements.

Let's round out the rest of your awesome statement.

I focus on what I have, not what I think I'm owed.

CF, you're a spoiled brat! You think the Mets owe it to you to win! You should just take your criticisms and just walk out that door young man!

Let's not forget outright lies.

What the Yankees did is irrelevant to me.

Really? Irrelevant?

I don't hate or even dislike other baseball teams -- except the Yankees.

Ok. Sure.

Just my opinion. Don't expect everyone to agree.

No copout would be complete without the opinion piece. "I don't care what facts you cite, this is my opinion and I'm not changing it." No dude. "Sweet potatoes taste good" is an opinion. "The Mets make the playoffs regularly" is just false.

[Ceetar]

Centerfield wrote: Let's say a non baseball fan asked me in September, "Hey CF, how are the Mets doing?" I can give a 41Forever answer: They've won 6 out of their last 7 and just destroyed Boston 8-0! This statement is true, but it's intentionally misleading. The Mets are terrible, but this answer is meant to create a false conclusion for the reader. Now, let's try an optimist's answer: Eh, pretty crappy. But their young kids are coming around, and we are playing much better since they got called up. So high hopes for next year!

They played really well in the second half, and I enjoyed the second half. It's not misleading to point that out, especially to a casual or non-baseball fan unless they were specifically asking if they're in the playoffs.

There's a direct connection between players that are very good on the Mets right now, and ones that helped them make the playoffs in 2015 and 2016. Drawing a line from now to say, 2002, is less relevant. What does the 2002 Mets, Steve Phillips, pre-moneyball, pre-Madoff, pre-luxurytax, etc, have to do with what the Mets are today? Almost absolutely nothing.

At this point I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue besides that you want to make it abundantly clear that the Mets have sucked a lot. I'm not sure how you derive enjoyment from this constant sense that the Mets are the worst at everything, will screw everything up, and cannot possibly succeed in their current state except by dumb luck?

[Centerfield]

They played really well in the second half, and I enjoyed the second half. It's not misleading to point that out, especially to a casual or non-baseball fan unless they were specifically asking if they're in the playoffs.

Hey CF, did the Lincolns enjoy the play?

CF: OMG, they couldn't stop laughing during Act 1!*



*This answer is not misleading since the Lincolns really did enjoy Act 1, and the person did not specifically ask if anyone was murdered.

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's too bad they enjoyed the first act. If it had sucked, they might have walked out and Booth would have instead assassinated an empty chair.

[Guest 41Forever]

I love sweet potatoes. Next month I'm going to make them with a brown sugar sauce and marshmallow topping.

That 8-0 win against Boston was fantastic. I look for things to enjoy. Otherwise I would have stopped watching after June.

I can still dislike the Yankees and their fake-ring-waving, smelly-cigar-chomping fans and have the team's frequent trips to the playoffs be irrelevant to me. How the team fares doesn't affect me. I dislike it whether it wins or loses.

I never said the Mets make the playoffs regularly. I said they've made it twice in the last four years, which I consider recent history. That's a truthful statement.

It's funny that you make up conversations with me to attempt to prove a point.

Edited October 11, 2018 by Guest

[Ceetar]

They played really well in the second half, and I enjoyed the second half. It's not misleading to point that out, especially to a casual or non-baseball fan unless they were specifically asking if they're in the playoffs. Hey CF, did the Lincolns enjoy the play? CF: OMG, they couldn't stop laughing during Act 1!* *This answer is not misleading since the Lincolns really did enjoy Act 1, and the person did not specifically ask if anyone was murdered.

The analogy to this is if MLB kicked the Mets out of the league at the end of your 7/8 example.

regardless, it's meaningless small talk. Non-baseball fan almost definitely does not want a long rant about how they should've signed Chacin instead of Vargas and how much of a disaster Bruce and Reyes were. You can't mislead someone when they don't actually care about your answer.

If you want to phrase it as "Did the Mets have a good year?" well, there were some highlights. It certainly wasn't "Oh, I actually died during the season" bad. Or "The president got killed during it" or whatever.

Did they stop running Our American Cousin after that day? Is it not feasible that someone would, legitimately, want to know how it was?

[Guest 41Forever]

Ceetar wrote: Did they stop running Our American Cousin after that day?

I don't know if the play was performed elsewhere, but Ford's Theater didn't see another show for more than 100 years!

True! The government bought it and issued an order "forever prohibiting its use as a place of public amusement." It was used as a warehouse and office, and the scene of another tragedy when the front part collapsed, killing 22 and injuring 68. It was restored as a theater and museum in 1968.

I visited it with my daughter three years ago. It's a moving experience. Kick-ass Lincoln Waffle House across the street, too.

[Centerfield]

41Forever wrote: I can still dislike the Yankees and their fake-ring-waving, smelly-cigar-chomping fans and have the team's frequent trips to the playoffs be irrelevant to me. How the team fares doesn't affect me. I dislike it whether it wins or loses.

Sure. So you hate the Yankees, but don't care whether they win or lose? Gotcha. That makes total sense.

Well the rest of us were all watching, and we were all nervous when Kimbrel loaded the bases, then celebrated afterwards.

I do feel like I should let you know that someone who does care hacked your account Tuesday night and followed the game in real time.

41Forever wrote: Kimbrel needs to realize that Calvin Schiraldi is not a role model.

41Forever wrote: Nice!

That hacker sounds like a real Yankee-hater. We should invite him to the 'Pool.

41Forever wrote: I never said the Mets make the playoffs regularly. I said they've made it twice in the last four years, which I consider recent history. That's a truthful statement.

I acknowledged that your statement was truthful. That's not the issue. The issue is that it's misleading. And more specifically, intentionally misleading.

I really do think that lying comes so second nature to you that you don't realize that you're doing it. I imagine few people in your real life call you out on it.