G-Fafif wrote: Coincidence that Chass is linked here in that I was discussing him yesterday with someone who used to work with him, who said, in so many words, that he was...well, me using that unattributed conversation to take a shot at Chass would be akin to Chass cherrypicking stray recollections, many of them unattributed, to take shots at Valentine. Chass regularly obsesses on Valentine's not finishing first, ignores that his teams always improve when he arrives and did make the playoffs in consecutive years (never mind the championship in Japan). With five teams in each league's playoffs now, I like how he says there's a "greater emphasis on finishing first." The greater emphasis is going to be on getting one of those playoff spots, I would think, and if you can finish first, all the better. But either way, the Braves passing the Mets in 1999 and 2000 is not the sole predictor of success for the Red Sox not having to face a one-game elimination round in 2012. As Gwreck noted, Noble, who spent a lot more time around the manager than Chass did, was not a fan of Valentine's, though when he explained it to our little group in 2010, he was specific in his criticisms and sounded eminently reasonable about it. But at no point did Noble question Valentine's baseball acumen. "Bobby's boys" might carry water for Valentine. His detractors might shoot down his candidacy. But Chass seems in this for the grudge and the slights, perceived, imagined or genuine. And since when is it a manager's job to make sure other teams like him? This may or may not have anything to do with anything, but the Terry Collins we got in 2011 seemed worlds removed from the Terry Collins we heard about from Anaheim circa 1999. Some people (particularly those looking to get back to the top of their profession) take stock and evolve as necessary. I get the impression that's what Collins did. I have no idea if that applies to Valentine, but for someone who transformed three different franchises on two different continents, I wouldn't put any learning past him. So what you're saying is, Chass is a wanker, right? It's OK, you can say it.