DocTee

Aurilia had a bad spell in Seattle before returning to the NL...FWIW, he's a native New Yorker (Brooklyn) so may be gotten cheaper

Bay Area rumors have Pat Burrell (an area native) replacing Bonds in SF and Soriano replacing Pat the Bat in Philly.

I hat Petersen because his penchant for wearing jackets keep the Mets in black hats....

7: Hubie Brooks

]DocTee wrote: Jensen is wrong-- even if NINA signs didn't exist (and they did), anti-Irish discrimination was rampant. Did you even read the article (which was published originally in a well-regarded academic journal)? If the signs existed, can you produce any solid evidence? A photo? An actual contemporaneous account of them (not someone who, probably influenced by the song, said they existed)? Jenson has researched the issue and found only a dozen instances in several hundred thousand pages of documentation? What research have you done on the matter, other than repeat the urban legend? Yes, there was anti-Irish discrimination. There also was anti-Black, anti-Jewish, anti-Italian, anti-Polish, anti-German, and anti-pick-the-ethnic-group-of-your-choice discrimination. The Irish were no worse than any other ethinic group in this regard (and certainly better off than Blacks). Yes, I've read the article. And I've debated Professor Jensen on this issue, one which I've spent a long time researching. He says there are no signs, but produces a dozen examples?? Catholic churches were burned, immigrants were denied political opportunity and otherwise marginalized. To turn the situation around and state that myth has replaced reality is wrong. Only four more months to pitchers and catchers, when we can debate more appropriate topics for his forum, like who should be in our rotation. Cheers,

to be fair, I have seen ads in Irish American periodicals from the period that said "Help wanted; none but Irish need apply"

Jensen is wrong-- even if NINA signs didn't exist (and they did), anti-Irish discrimination was rampant.

]Quote: Twice [the irish] tried to invade Canada, believing that they could trade Canadian land for Ireland's freedom. well, that sounds like a fun story to learn more about... Shameless plug: Check out my dissertation: Erin's Hope: The Fenian Brotherhood of New York City, 1858-1886

The mascot is far worse than the nickname. IIRC, the first president of ND was a chaplain in the fmaed irish Brigade, which had fought valorously in the Civil War, erasing many of the negative images and stereotypes of antebellum Irish immigrants (many continued, however, and the No Irish need Apply period is more accurate of the 1890s). At the Battle of Fredericksburg, the Brigade earned the sobriquet "Fighting Irish" and when the chaplain moved to academe, the nickname was adopted aas a testament to his (and thousands of others) contributions. Unfortuantely many Irish-Americans buy not just ND paraphenalia but the image that their culture should embrace pugnacity (and drinking)...As George Carlin (an Irish American) posits: why not get all the stereotypes out of the way and call them the Brawling, Drinking, Short-Dicked Irish?? And that fucking leprechaun is just stupid and offensive

Nymr: would you support a team known as the "hard Bargaining Jews"?

Not only has ND resisited all efforts to change their mascot/nickname (History Pro Jay Dolan, with whom I've collaborated on a project for fairness in the media regarding Irish Americans, spearheaded that campaign) they went so far as to copyright it! Only they, it seems, have the right to offend the Irish!!

Only Gwreck seems to have ditched the black And you guys call yourself fans. Sheesh.

]OE: Curiously, the Yahoo boxscore listed the Novoa to Ohman pitching change as "W. Ohman relieved W. Ohman". Ohman was relieving himself on the mound? Gross.

Awesome-- "The strength to be there" --emblazoned on the outfield wall-- sorta sums up Endy's effort (and the Mets great season).

N-D should NOT be a starter.

Aren't Mota/Sanchez/Heilman a bit repetitious in the pen? Seems to me they (can) do a lot of the same stuff, especially when it comes to matchups, etc.

F U Valadius!! j/k

devastating

]Aaron Heilman. Not considered, but still be worth a gamble No...but I empathize. The Oliver duo can combine for seven--let perez start and have a quick hook ready with Darren in reserve (TRAX, too)...

Game 7 BAY BEE

sandfrog on deck with his red badge of courage

Mother Father!!

in fact, he's more taguchi than anyone i've ever seen

trouble-- this guy is so taguchi

one out to go--