metsmarathon

if you really want george to have a fit, install a "steinbrenner alley" as the urinal trough in a dirty mens room. (was that too mean?) slightly tangential - i hate urinal troughs. whoever came up with that idea should be hung.

good move. there's not enough room on the roster, and he could use hte more consistent playing time. get him all the at bats you can. there's plenty of time to ride the pine in september.

This car is SO cool! too bad its not a plymouth, official car of the mets. VVVVVVVV

well, its not like it was the superbowl...

have i mentioned yet that i absolutely abhor the "take him off the team" arguments in MVP discussions?

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]there should be small statues where the mound is of Tom Seaver and Jesse Orosco on his knees after the final out of 1986. tom on the mound, and jesse on he knees, right in front of him. that's quite an image they'd be putting there, no? what the heck is a ryman auditorium? i'm a freakin' mets fan, fer chrissakes! the 715 marker is relevant culturally, BUT ALSO it is relevant to the sport of baseball. also, it would be cool if our monuments went unsponsored. would we need to get the rights from michael jackson to put a beatles statue in the parking lot? julio franco was six years old in 1964. damn.

if we had druids on the team, they could help with building the new stadium... or decorating the old parking lot with big giant stones. how cool would that be?

OHernandez 6 Delgado 1 Beltran 1 Heilman 1 Wagner 1

milledge 4 williams 3 heilman 1 delgado 1 tucker 1

trachsel 4 chavez 2 beltran 2 wright 1 woodward 1

well... that susks... my uber-schaeffer spreadsheet just bit the dust! all the formatting is gone, and its too hard to tell anymore if the formulae are all intact. i may cry. folks, if you spend half a year creating, maintaining, and updating a massively overcomplicated spreadsheet, be sure to regularly back it up. OE: and hour and a half later, and its back in workable shape. however, its no longer as pretty. i can use it to score future games. games that happened in teh past would require too much effort to ressurect, visually. the data is all there, but its just a bunch of ugly numbers and spaces. oh well. at least my tally sheet survived the mayhem!

Centerfield wrote: MVP? Jeter isn't even the best shortstop in the league. Jeter is at .336, 10 HR, 76 RBI (OPS .882). Tejada is at .330, 20 HR's, and 86 RBI (OPS .906). according to baseballprospectus... tejada's VORP is 57.0 jeter's is at 56.7, and is a lot higher than i expected. reyes is at 42.7, btw, 4th among shortstops (guillen 48.1) and beltran sits above them all, with a clean 60.

NASCAR discussion without one reference to dick trickle? im truly disappointed in you all!

Edgy DC wrote: Things are shifting back in the Mets' favor a bit on this one. Still, on a basis of WARP/$, the Marlins have to be happy about this deal. WAPR-3 (wins above replacement, prorated out to a 162-game season) Delgado 4.6 Jacobs 2.3 Petit -0.3 $ / WARP-3 Delgado $2.93M / WARP-3 Jacobs/Petit $0.16M / WARP-3 the fish are getting 18 times the wins per dollar spent. and that's with the likely false assumption that they're paying petit the $327k to play in AAA.

we had our chances at the trade deadline to scratch at least one state off the list, and may still have that chance with the coming free agent season: barry zito - nevada jason schmidt - idaho

y'know, i understand jeter calling for it and all, but arod was camped RIGHT UNDER the ball the entire time. what, did he even have to move a step?

Delgado 4 Maine 3 Beltran 2 Reyes 1

Glavine 4 Bradford 1

in that other thread, i wrote: a cursory glance at this years' crop of qualified ML SS's tells me that $3M looks to be about mean, with a reasonable ceiling, excepting furcal, tejada and jeter, of $6M, but i have no idea how that all changes with time- it was, afterall a cursory glance. so, given those assumptions, and a 2006 full of offensive progress - ie raising his OBP to at least 350ish with promise of more discipline in the future, no injuries, and, dare i say, a modest increase in power at no expense of speed, i'd be cool with something on the order of 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, (7 opt) to secure our shortstop for the next 5-6 years.

i am starting to think that my tabulation undervalues the contribution to wins that our releivers have, and i've got to go in and change that for next year. overall, i've got some big differenes in my player vote totals compared to the group. my higher ranking of tom glavine stands out the most, perhaps. through july, beltran has a huge lead, and glavine is right on the heels of david wright. the rest, well, you can see below. rank points 1 102 Beltran 2 85 Wright 3 80 Glavine 4 74 Reyes 5 69 Delgado 6 68 Martinez 7 51 Valentin 8 47 Trachsel 9 38 Oliver 10 35 Ohernandez 11 34 Nady 12 31 Floyd 13 25 LoDuca 13 25 Chavez 15 23 Soler 16 22 Sanchez 16 22 Wagner 18 21 Bannister 19 18 Maine 20 16 Heilman 21 15 Feliciano 22 14 Woodward 23 13 Castro 24 10 Bradford 25 8 Julio 25 8 Bell 25 8 Milledge 28 6 Zambrano 29 5 Franco 29 5 Matsui 31 4 Gonzalez 31 4 Pelfrey 33 2 Marrero 34 1 Owens is oliver too high? maybe. but i'm not sure. he's one of the most important relievers in the pen, and he's one of the best relievers in the league this year. he's got the lowest ERA in our pen, and has the second most innings. he's got 4 wins, and has rescued many a game. only one other reliever in the NL with 20 innings or more pitched has a lower ERA, and that's rheal cormier, whose 34 innings were accumulated in 43 games. is pitching the 9th or 8th more important? maybe, and its true that i've got to relook my scoring for the ends of games, but i don't see that having the effect of minimizing olivers score by much at all.

glavine has the 19th best ERA in the league. i considered him to approximate the threshold for "solid"

Elster88 wrote: metsmarathon wrote: heck, what teams really even have two? Quite a few, I'd guess without looking. lets check the division leaders... Cardinals? 1 Chris Carpenter 2.93 ERA 2 Jeff Suppan 4.98 ERA nope. San Diego? 1 Chris Young 3.57 2 Clay Hensley 4.46 not really... and the wild card... Cincinatti? 1 Bronson Arroyo 3.20 ERA 2 Aaron Harang 3.62 ERA well, there's one... Arizona 1 GB? 1 Brandon Webb 2.74 ERA 2 Miguel Batista 4.71 ERA nah... Colorado, 4 GB? 1 Jason Jennings 3.58 2 Jeff Francis 3.63 3 Aaron Cook 3.79 hey, there's another, and they've actually got three good starters! San Francisco, 4.5 GB? 1 Jason Schmidt 3.18 ERA 2 Matt Morris 4.61 ERA nope maybe Los Angeles 5 GB? 1 Brad Penny 3.53 ERA 2 Derek Lowe 4.29 ERA there ya go! the only other team out there that can claim solid pitching are the astros and the marlins. and they're both 6 games out with 7 teams in the way. in the NL, I like our chances.

i flutter between releieved and crabby, but spend most of my time in the happier camp. of course... Is Sheffield on the horizon for us? that kind of thing would get me to furious in no time flat! milledge-heilman for oswalt would've been nice, and that price, tho high, seems commensurate with what you're getting back. i'm pretty glad that we didnt give away milledge for a rental of zito, despite the fact that i'm probably going to regret that opinion come playoff time. but really.. what teams out there really have three solid starting pitchers? heck, what teams really even have two? houston? are they even getting to the playoffs? i like our chances as is, and i really like our chances for the future.

i'll take him for an old parkway token.