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Frayed Knot wrote: David is also rumored to like 'Sports Authority' stores as well as John Cougar Mellencamp's 'The Authority Song' i guess that would put to rest any talk about him preferring dick's.

such a classy organization, those yankees. ="espn"]The Yankees offered Torre a one-year deal with a base salary of $5 million and incentives that would have increased his salary to $8 million based on postseason performance. Under that offer, if Torre reached the World Series in 2008, an option for 2009 would have vested. "We felt we needed to go to a performance-based mode," team president Randy Levine said. "We thought it was very fair. It clearly was at the top of the market, but we respect Joe's decision."

glavine: 99 ER in 200.1 IP el duque: 61 ER in 147.2 IP pelfrey: 15 ER per 25 IP humber 13 ER per 15 IP sele: 3 ER per 5 IP heilman already pitched 86 innings, so lets give the other 8 to feliciano... feliciano: 3 ER per 8 IP total: 95 ER and a much less rested pen. of course, embedded in those numbers is that glavine bequeathed 20 runners to his bullpen, and 11 of those runners scored. el duque bequeathed 10 runners, and only 2 of them scored. given the same lavel of bullpen support, either duque would've given up 4 more earned runs, or glavine would've given up 7 fewer, drawing down the difference between the two pitchers to a pick'em.

Nymr83 wrote: why the obssession with replacement level? if everyone was replacement level we'd win 50 games. you should be comparing guys to the average player to determine whether they are helping or hurting Can we just stop posting about the NBA? I honestly don't know what you're talking about. i'm trying to make the point that below-average production over a larger number of chances is hurtful not helpful. quick question: kaz matsui. has he helped or hurt the rockies this year?

tim mccarver: you'd think that giving up a leadoff walk would be the most dangerous thing a pitcher could do. one would think that more multirun innings have been started by a leadoff walk than home run. and we've researched this. and this year more multi-run innings were started with a leadoff home run than a leadoff walk. me: why is this so hard to figure out? with a leadoff home run, you only need one more run for a multi-run inning. with a leadoff walk, you still need two runs, and that one baserunner you do have is a candidate for a double play.

wouldn't it be more fun to split up the futures from the formers?

el duque says "click! clack!" ♦

nah. if they look good, they're asics. if not, and especially if they have a pump feature, they're prolly reebok.

ramon castro's VORP (value over replacement player) is 13.1 - that is ramon castro contributed 13 runs more in his plate appearances than a replacement player would have been expected to have contributed. paul loduca's VORP is 9.2. so, ramon castro's offense contributed 4 runs more to the mets' offense this year than paul loduca. but what about defense? well, lets look at another metric or three, also from baseball prospectus. ramon castro's BRAR (batting runs above replacement - effectively the same as/similar to VORP; what's the difference, i couldn't tell you) is 11. paul loduca's BRAR is 7. same 4 run differential. ramon castro's FRAR (fielding runs above replacement) is 5. paul loduca's FRAR is 17. so, ramon castro contributed a net of 16 runs more than a replacement player, while paul loduca contributed a net of 24 runs more than a replacement player. ramon castro's WARP (wins above replacement player) is 1.8, whereas paul loduca's WARP is 2.6.

schaeffer voting totals...?

wouldn't lawrence be a 0 and the remainder of the negatives be one point higher?

see, the current players aren't evaluated against past mets, they are evaluated against their teammates. when a player begins his tenure as a met, he begins to accrue points towards his ultimate ranking, starting from zero. the more he plays, the more he plays well, and the more the mets win with him, the more points he will accrue. his contributions are considered relevant to single years, as what happened in the past stays in the past, and what will happen in teh future will stay in the future. for instance, should reyes' slump at the end of this year affect how he performed last year, and how we ranked him? no. last year was last year. this year, he will be appropriately reprimanded for his struggles, in that he will be ranked lower and will therefore accrue fewer points. a player can never be awarded negative points, and therefore can never see his cumulative point total slide backwards. voters are encouraged to consider playoff performance in their rankings, however voters should also consider that without a player's regular season performance, the team may never have seen the postseason, so weigh accordingly. re: trachsel, and steering this thread way off course, the mets have had only 29 pitchers with 500 or more ip. trachsel is 17th among them with an era+ of 102. he's 14th on strikeouts, 12th in innings pitched, is 10th in W/L%, and 10th in wins. its not like we've had a great history of great players sticking around for a while. steve trachsel in our top 50 is what we get.

he must really enjoy that odd, distant little world he lives in.

name 50 or more mets who should be ranked more highly than trachsel.

ooh la la, sasson!

i really wouldn't mind if we came back with basically the same outfield, but with milledge owning the starting job in right, and green filling the role of backup corner of/1b/ph, and gomez waiting for a chance to get some at bats.

why are we assuming that arod would be the better third baseman, forcing wright to move to either first or second?

are there terribly many players who make the switch, successfully or not, from third base to second base? my concern for dwright is not his arm or glove, but his ability to make the pivot, especially standing in there to take the hit on a close play against an aggressive runner. i don't think that learning curve is trivial.

yup.

Nymr83 wrote: ]Mets looking into...[name] with the thought about moving him over to [position he doesn't play.] i don't like this. jose valentin

"the onion - we're funny, i tell ya!"

did the decline start on august 7th? before? or after? this is something that one could readily check, no?

="SteveJRogers"]="Vic Sage"] I hope they ride Torre out of town on a rail, then don't re-sign A-Rod, and spend the next decade finishing out of the playoffs, changing managers every year or 2. Sadly I doubt that is ever going to happen again. While my knee jerk reaction to the collapse of the Mets was that it would be a long while before the Mets return to contention, I seriously doubt the Met franchise will ever have another 74-85 or even 89-98 ever again as well. Economics of baseball has shifted too far one way for the Mets and Yankees to ever be horrendous for a long period of time ever again. Of course save for a drastic change in the economic system and/or ownership of either team decides to do a scorched earth decimation of the franchise to the point where the team becomes the Pittsburgh Pirates or Tampa Bay Rays. you're right... we (or they) could just become the orioles...

schadenfreude is a wonderful thing.