A Boy Named Seo

I didn't like this movie a lot.

="Centerfield":2li7lw9t] I mean, it's one thing if the guy is an injury risk. It's another if the guy is injured.[/quote:2li7lw9t] I think peeps don't really know. Last anyone saw of him, he was walking off a mound in September with a hurt arm. If we wrangle Ollie back, and even with Redding in the fold (he could slide to the pen), I'd throw like a 1 year/$5 guaranteed deal Sheets' way like $8 million bucks worth of bonus carrots attached, including a vesting 2nd year if his arm doesn't explode and he pitches like 185 innings or something. Eh? When he's on a mound, he's pretty awesome. smg58 Jan 13 2009 11:36 AM I think it's worth pointing out that Sheets threw 198 IP last year while Perez threw 194. Plus, signing Perez would keep us from getting back our first round pick in addition to another sandwich pick. Centerfield Jan 13 2009 12:23 PM Isn't a player's current injury something you could check? Isn't that why you get medicals and ask your doctors to check him out? MFS62 Jan 13 2009 12:28 PM IIRC, Sheets' late season injury was "stiffness in the forearm". I'm not sure how the cause of that can be diagnosed. Later Frayed Knot Jan 13 2009 12:53 PM Might be instructive to note that the hardly-hard-up-for-bucks BoSox opted for fliers on Smoltz (who may not even be ready when the season starts) and Penny (also coming off an injury) while not even offering a sniff in the direction of Sheets. MFS62 Jan 13 2009 01:36 PM I'd scan Sheets' arm with every test known to mankind until it glows in the dark. And if nothing bad shows up, sign him. Later Number 6 Jan 13 2009 01:36 PM I've always thought the Brewers rode Sheets a bit too hard. He was second in the league with 5 complete games last season, and threw over 100 pitches in more than half of his starts. While that may not be troubling for an average pitcher, he probably shouldn't be treated like one given his injury history. I'm no medical expert, but it may be possible for his new team to get more out of him by instituting a more rigid pitch/inning limit. mario25 Jan 13 2009 02:07 PM I say at least bring him in and check it out. Omar is in love with Perez but he is all arm/no head. attgig Jan 13 2009 02:38 PM I want sheets. I just have no clue what it would take to sign him. metirish Jan 13 2009 02:40 PM From the Boston Globe yesterday... Ben Sheets, free agent pitcher: We're hearing more and more that a team like the Braves or Rangers could pony up a couple of years on a contract that would land the oft-injured righthander. At this stage of free agency, he seems like big-time quality for a price that has surely come down. "I think as the weeks go on, more and more teams are going to take a good, hard look at him," said a National League manager. "Given his history, he's just not going to get a big deal, and the realization might be sinking in that he and his agents know it. Things changed today I would think with the Braves. Centerfield Jan 16 2009 07:34 PM We have a Ben Sheets sighting: Martinez also remains on the Mets' radar, as does free-agent righty Ben Sheets, pending a review of his medical records. This according to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports. Go get Sheets! Frayed Knot Jan 17 2009 08:02 AM ]I prefer Lowe..he has been an innings eater with a low comp..Last 2 years with 147 K's each and 47 & 55 BB'ish. That ain't bad. Nice to see a pitcher that consistently throws strikes. If it's strike throwing you want Sheets is among the best bets around: a 380/95 (K/BB) ratio over the last 3 seasons. As far as a contract, it seems to me that certain players should look around at the current economic situation and think that a short-term deal might be in their interest too. Especially reasonably young guys (31 next July) like Sheets coming off injuries. Take a 2-yr deal (or maybe even one) to prove you're healthy and have the chance to go back on the market when conditions (at least theoretically) are more player friendly. At this point I'm not sure holding out for a 3rd or 4th year is really in his interest. MFS62 Jan 17 2009 10:49 AM Someone told me that they had heard a few days ago that the Mets offered Sheets a 1 year $6 million guaranteed contract. He had no other details about incentives, options, etc. Anyone else hear that? If so, what was the source? Later Benjamin Grimm Jan 17 2009 06:56 PM ="David Lennon in Newsday":24839p42]For his part, Minaya has played it cool, suggesting that he has other options if Perez falls through. Two of the most intriguing names still available are Ben Sheets and Andy Pettitte, with the Mets only recently showing interest in the former Brewers ace. A person familiar with the situation said yesterday that Sheets is now being discussed, but it's unclear what the parameters of such a deal would be.[/quote:24839p42] Edgy DC Jan 17 2009 07:33 PM I think he probably has a few fingers in the trade market. Fman99 Jan 18 2009 02:10 PM This rumor is picking up steam. MLB.com[/url:las1k666] now quoting Newsday's story. I like. Frayed Knot Jan 18 2009 06:30 PM Of course that doesn't mean the talks are picking up, only that news outlets are citing each other as sources. Meanwhile, Pedro seems to be talking to Pittsburgh. Kong76 Jan 18 2009 06:40 PM The thought of Pedro riding into the sunset in Pittsburgh makes me laugh out loud. Not lol, laugh out loud. Retire, or sign with the Mets or Sawx in some kind of limited role. metsguyinmichigan Jan 18 2009 11:16 PM Is this Sheet AND Ollie or Sheets OR Ollie? Assuming we're going after Ollie, too. If we were relying on Sheets to be "the man," I'd be against it. But basically we're filling out our rotation, with a number of other options. Johan, Pelfrey, Sheets, Ollie and Maine with Redding and Neise in the wings is a pretty damn good rotation. MFS62 Jan 19 2009 04:46 AM ="Kong76":23f3gaue]The thought of Pedro riding into the sunset in Pittsburgh makes me laugh out loud. Not lol, laugh out loud. [/quote:23f3gaue] A great player ending his career in Pitsburgh isn't that bad. He'd be in pretty good company with Hank Greenberg. Later Frayed Knot Jan 19 2009 06:15 AM ="metsguyinmichigan":va8fttx0]Is this Sheet AND Ollie or Sheets OR Ollie?[/quote:va8fttx0] I suspect one or the other but not both. Rockin' Doc Jan 19 2009 06:43 AM From what I have read in most reports, Perez is the Mets first choice now that Lowe is in Atlanta. Sheets, Wolf, Garland, etc. are potential back up plans should Perez (and Boras) play hard to get. Personally, I think I would prefer to have Sheets. Perez has a tremendous arm and great stuff, but he often leaves me wondering where his head is at. Benjamin Grimm Jan 19 2009 06:51 AM I too would prefer Sheets. Even if he misses time with an injury, we'll probably get as many good starts from Sheets as from Perez, and fewer bad starts. Vince Coleman Firecracker Jan 19 2009 10:06 AM I would rather 150 innings of Sheets and 50 of Niese than 200 of Perez, and 100/100 of those two might still be more useful than a full season of Ollie. Centerfield Jan 20 2009 08:18 AM Lots more sources picking up on the Mets interest in Sheets. Tom Verducci was talking about it on the MLB Network, there's a piece in the Daily News this morning. The more I think about it, they really have to pull the trigger on Sheets. It is the only way they can significantly improve the rotation from last year. And they need to improve the pitching if they're not going to do anything about the lineup. TransMonk Jan 20 2009 09:18 AM I'm not a big fan of Sheets...his upsides and downsides are terribly drastic. That being said, he probably has the best potential upside available for next season. His eldest son is named after Tom Seaver. That's gotta be worth something I guess. DocTee Jan 24 2009 09:57 AM According to Buster Olney, Texas mulling a two-year, $16M offer to Ben. http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/1162289.html That's a steal, considering: "Over the last five seasons, the 30-year-old Sheets has an ERA of 3.24; his ERA has never been higher than 3.82 in any season, and was as low as 2.70 in 2004. His strikeout-to-walk ratio has never been worse than 2.87 to 1. Hitters have never had an OPS against him, in any season, higher than .705. In 2008, Sheets made 31 starts, threw 198 1/3 innings, posted an ERA of 3.09 while pitching in Milwaukee's bandbox, held opposing hitters to a .390 slugging percentage, started for the National League in the All-Star Game, struck out 158 while walking just 47..." metsmarathon Jan 24 2009 10:32 AM grr... Frayed Knot Jan 24 2009 11:14 AM Sheets lives in Texas which may give them the inside track there. Be nice if Omar were to match that offer and convince Big Ben that staying in the NL and staying out of that hitters' haven with the daily 90+ degree heat will be better for him in the long run. Then tell Boras that he can review that offer plus this newest one we supposedly made to Ollie and tell him first one to say yes gets the job. Nymr83 Jan 24 2009 12:16 PM ]According to Buster Olney, Texas mulling a two-year, $16M offer to Ben sounds cheap, offer him a 3rd year at the same price Omar! metsmarathon Jan 24 2009 12:57 PM uh, i'd go 2x9 before i went 3x8. but i'd be happy to include a vesting option for the third. Rockin' Doc Jan 24 2009 01:33 PM I like marathon's plan. Sheets has tremendous talent, but given his injury history I don't want to see the Mets guarantee more than two years to him. Centerfield Jan 24 2009 08:25 PM Come on Omar. At least make a fucking offer. Fman99 Jan 24 2009 08:39 PM ="Centerfield":3glgv0y9]Come on Omar. At least make a fucking offer.[/quote:3glgv0y9] Do something. Jeez, pitchers and catchers report in what, 3 weeks? metirish Jan 24 2009 08:44 PM Watch the MFY's come in a sign him. Frayed Knot Jan 25 2009 06:34 PM Just a few warning signs via the Ft Worth Star-Telegram: Lingering concerns over the status of Ben Sheets� right elbow could ultimately prevent the Texas Rangers from signing the free-agent All-Star pitcher to an incentive-laden contract. The Rangers have examined Sheets� medical reports, but sources said the club wants the most recent information on his torn flexor tendon. It�s an injury the Rangers know too well. Jason Jennings lasted only six starts last season before suffering a second torn flexor tendon in nine months. In both instances � August 2007 and May 2008 � Jennings had surgery. Sheets� tear did not require surgery, and he has resumed his normal preseason throwing program. He threw twice last week at Rangers Ballpark in Arlington. However, the Highland Park resident has not undergone a physical and would have to pass one performed by Rangers doctors before a deal could be completed. The likelihood that an agreement will be reached by Monday, if at all this week, is waning. Centerfield Jan 26 2009 10:16 AM Is a torn flexor tendon what knocked out Wagner? The article doesn't make it clear whether the Rangers are concerned because he had a torn flexor tendon, or whether they feel he still has a torn flexor tendon. Edgy DC Jan 26 2009 10:26 AM I'm a fan of Ben Sheets and want the Mets in the mix, but I think the fans are being too hard here on poor ol' Omar. 1) Yeah, Sheets numbers from last year make him look pretty healthy, but that's because his injury took place at the end of the season, after he logged those numbers, but it shut him down for the playoffs. And the nature of an injury at the end of your season and your contract means that nobody knows the extent of the damage or what they're getting until you take the mound somewhere and log some time. 2) Isn't Omar getting somewhat hammered for the lost gamble he took on Moises Alou? If you pressure your GM to roll the dice, be a little more forgiving when he craps out once in a while. A Texas Ranger blogger takes a close look at this injury history here: http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/the-ben-sheets-medical-file.html Maybe Sheets and Nolan can talk blister cures. batmagadanleadoff Jan 26 2009 10:53 AM ="Centerfield":11j9ihkf]Is a torn flexor tendon what knocked out Wagner? The article doesn't make it clear whether the Rangers are concerned because he had a torn flexor tendon, or whether they feel he still has a torn flexor tendon.[/quote:11j9ihkf] Flexor Shmexor. I'm worried that Johan Santana might've sustained some permanent and irreversible diminishment of his abilities as a result of the surgery to repair his torn left meniscus. I realize that his injury is considered minor but still, it's Johan's rear pitching leg. On the other hand, no one else seems to be making a big deal about the surgery. And Santana did pitch his best game of last season while injured. So maybe there's not much to this. Frayed Knot Jan 26 2009 10:58 AM ="Centerfield":11erg5gp]Is a torn flexor tendon what knocked out Wagner? The article doesn't make it clear whether the Rangers are concerned because he had a torn flexor tendon, or whether they feel he still has a torn flexor tendon.[/quote:11erg5gp] Wagner's was a ligament tear. That's what TJ surgery is needed to fix. Sheets' flexor tendon tear did not have surgery - probably meaning it isn't thought to be severe enough and he can still pitch with it while it heals or remains strong enough on its own. Maybe it can but that's a risk whoever signs him is going to need to consider. Edgy DC Jan 26 2009 11:17 AM He may want to pull an Astacio and do some showcase pitching in the Caribbean. smg58 Feb 05 2009 11:56 AM [url:2ctckaya]http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090205&content_id=3801488&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp[/url:2ctckaya] The poor guy just can't buy a break. Nymr83 Feb 05 2009 12:47 PM sounds like a good time to sign him for cheap and hope he can help out in the second half or even for 2010 seawolf17 Feb 05 2009 01:36 PM ="Nymr83":3bzpskk2]sounds like a good time to sign him for cheap and hope he can help out in the second half or even for 2010[/quote:3bzpskk2] Bingo! Two-year, backloaded deal. Didn't the Yankees do that with Jon Lieber? Frayed Knot Feb 05 2009 02:38 PM Re: Leiber; yes, but I think it was post-surgery and not pre. Plus you don't want to do this at a time when it'll cost you a draft pick. So maybe after the cut-n-slice sounds like it worked and after the draft is done in June and you're off the hook for compensation it may be time to look into a rehab signing. Nymr83 Feb 05 2009 02:40 PM its strange that Sheets, if he knew he might need surgery, didn't accept arbitration from the Brewers. attgig Feb 05 2009 03:03 PM perhaps he had differing opinion vs the rangers doctors. him/his doctors didn't think he needed surgery, but the rangers docs did. and once ONE team's docs blackball you, it's gonna be impossible to get anything from any other team. Ashie62 Feb 05 2009 03:50 PM Sheets out 4-6 months for partially torn flexor tendon That answers that DocTee Feb 05 2009 04:20 PM Tough break. You know who I'd like to see the Mets take a flyer on: Mark Mulder. Centerfield Feb 06 2009 08:00 AM ="Ashie62":k5uv0414]Sheets out 4-6 months for partially torn flexor tendon That answers that[/quote:k5uv0414] That makes no sense. If that was the prognosis, why not have the surgery back in October? John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 06 2009 08:28 AM ="Centerfield":125azak8]="Ashie62":125azak8]Sheets out 4-6 months for partially torn flexor tendon That answers that[/quote:125azak8] That makes no sense. If that was the prognosis, why not have the surgery back in October?[/quote:125azak8] Apparently the injury was revealed as part of a physical examination the Rangers required as a condition of a 2-year contract offer, now revoked. There is a question as to whether the Brewers will pay the doctor bills, paper sez. Nymr83 Feb 06 2009 08:38 AM thats going to be a question for the collective bargaining agreement, his last contract, and/or worker's comp laws. this is probably a good opportunity for the brewers to sign him for 2 years backloaded for cheap, maybe with a semi-expensive option for 2011 that kicks in with 200 innings in 2010. they'll probably be paying for his rehab anyway so they might as well be able to direct it and benefit from it

Good job, Mets. I don't doubt Lowe woulda been fine this year, maybe better than Ollie, and maybe good next year, too. But they weren't gonna go four expensive years on a 36-year old guy period, and they stuck to that.

Who's that around :50 in? Sounds really really old, or drunk maybe, or both. The girl reading is great.

Irish, you remember if the girl is in the band? Or did she just help out here? I like what she brought. She seems super excited, like she really wants to meet those Mets. She swung an air bat during "knocking those home runs over the wall" and she even did a two-finger sports fan whistle for crissakes. She's better than OK.

="Ashie62":1h7ewb77]Rochester Redding at 2.25..I like it...One way to break up Boras...While were at it anyone for taking a flier on Pedro? Then Omar can spend some money on the ever elusive utility man and outfielder..Garrett Anderson?[/quote:1h7ewb77] Redding means nothing to Boras or Lowe/Ollie. As for Pedro, the slim chances he'd be back would get way slimmer. Tim Redding, huh. Nymr83 Jan 09 2009 11:43 PM Redding is a nice guy to have on your AAA club for when you need an injury replacement or in case your #5 starter rookie flames out (Niese) but i wouldn't count on him to pitch the way he did the 2nd half of this past year. Fman99 Jan 10 2009 06:47 AM ="soupcan"]="metsguyinmichigan"]="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]Tim Redding, possibly a douchebag: Looks like a guy who would build a hockey rink in his backyard? Yup. Douchebag if I ever saw one. That's a great "Write your own caption" picture right there. Let me try... Fman99 Jan 10 2009 06:47 AM "Hey kid, get your frisbee off my lawn, or I'll go fuck your housepets." soupcan Jan 10 2009 08:10 AM Redding was 10-11 for the Nats and according to an article I read this morning, his bullpen blew 7 leads for him last year. Why wouldn't the Nats offer him a contract? Article (NYTimes) also said that his signing will not effect the teams pursuit of Lowe and/or Perez. -He and Santana were teammates in the Astros minor league system. -He and Beltran were on the 'Stros together. -He and Church and Schneider were teammates on the Nats. That's all I got. Rockin' Doc Jan 10 2009 08:37 AM He should be okay as a fifth starter, but his signing almost assures that Niese will head up the staff in Buffalo. Now get a solid starter to slip into the rotation. Lowe, Perez, or Sheets would do nicely. I no longer see Wolf as an option, since Redding just took his possible spot in the rotation. Frayed Knot Jan 10 2009 09:06 AM Mets takin' a ride: smg58 Jan 10 2009 12:07 PM ="Nymr83":3ebubl5n]Redding is a nice guy to have on your AAA club for when you need an injury replacement or in case your #5 starter rookie flames out (Niese) but i wouldn't count on him to pitch the way he did the 2nd half of this past year.[/quote:3ebubl5n] His April and May were good... Maybe he can repeat that, and by then Niese will be ready. Or maybe some better pitchers will get signed for less money by other teams. The best thing I can say for Redding is that he should give the Mets more out of the fifth starter spot than Pedro did last year (or would this year). But that's really saying little. Zvon Jan 10 2009 03:23 PM *****INNINGS Benjamin Grimm Jan 13 2009 09:10 AM Edgy DC Jan 13 2009 09:19 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 13 2009 09:38 AM Tim Redding. Wifey: Jamie Kiddies: Shea and Brennan (who knows what genders) Dog: Fascha Hopefully, he'll wear a shirt that says "Fantastic Fascha." seawolf17 Jan 13 2009 09:25 AM I can't wait for Tim Redding Bobblehead Day! It'll look just like me. attgig Jan 13 2009 09:53 AM ="seawolf17":2nxfsu59]I can't wait for Tim Redding Bobblehead Day! It'll look just like me.[/quote:2nxfsu59] don't read the rest of this thread.... Edgy DC Jan 13 2009 09:55 AM ="Marty Noble"]He chose to wear Mets uniform No. 44 because David Cone wore it. He knew that. Yay! Go, Tim Redding! ="Marty Noble"]He would have opted for No. 23, if Brian Schneider didn't have dibs on it, because "Don Mattingly is my favorite player of all time," he said. Boo! Eat shit, Tim Redding! As a a matter of fact, eat Doug Flynn's shit. You're not a Yankee and you're not a hitter. Now shut up and take it like a Met, you cupcake. metirish Jan 13 2009 10:00 AM I predict Redding will do something really fucking dumb while a Met , like beat the crap out of some dick in a bar while boozing downtown. Benjamin Grimm Jan 13 2009 10:01 AM For some reason, I read "cupcake" as "cubcake." Edgy DC Jan 13 2009 10:03 AM Lest a day go by without a Mort Walker reference, we have a Boner's Ark invocation.

You and me, homes.

Hilarious.

Great idea. What happened to the Flynn shirt? I bought me one of the RAMETS ones, but I'd pony up some dough for the Woody one, too.

Supposed to be on 213 for DirectTV peeps.

How many peeps in the last couple of years freaked the hell out when their doc sent them to the Roger Clemens Institute for Sports Medicine to get their wonky knee fixed?

="Frayed Knot"]IOW, what Noble is delicately saying is that the batch of Kool-aid someone seems to be feeding Olney is long past its expiration date. ]$22.1 million on Jones' $36.2 million, four-year contract. Holy bronze gloves Batman, that's even more than I thought!!! The money's right, but the years Noble reports aren't... Jones is entering the second year of a 2-year deal. Cot's. Glad the point's moot, though.

="Ashie62":1nnnza57]="Edgy DC":1nnnza57]Thing is that Ollie costs us a pick also, because by signing him the Mets sacrifice the pick that would be coming back to them as compensation. We're not generally talking first rounders here, because the Mets already sacrificed theirs at the alter of K-Rod. Question is: if the Mets sign Lowe, do they give up their second rounder to the Dodgers, even if the team grabbing Ollie gives them a first rounder? Or do the Dodgers get that pick instead of the Mets sloppy seconds?[/quote:1nnnza57] How many picks lead to anything..very overrated to me[/quote:1nnnza57] That David Wright's OK.

On the UMDB Facebook page, a guy uploaded a picture of himself next to the number 3. I'm fairly certain that ain't Bud Harrelson. Just a lucky guy who got to go on the field?

Blecch. I read something yesterday in the LATimes, I think, about how badly he's sucking in winter ball. He's still too heavy, too.

FK, thank you for straightening me out on that. Also, how in the F do you know all that shit?

Hummina, hummina, hummina. Edgy had a good question, but I don't remember what it was now.

="Edgy DC":9yzuwet4]I am so down with you that I hope nobody takes a photo.[/quote:9yzuwet4] Oh, baby. Noble covers a lot of ground[/url:9yzuwet4]today: -Mets still like Lowe a bit more than Ollie. Wolf still in the mix. -Lowe is a type A FA and would cost us a supplemental because our #1 already goes to the Angels for Rodriguez. -Mets like Alex Cora. -Omar's not freaking out about the need for another lefty, but thinks he can get one on the cheap if he has to. metirish Dec 29 2008 11:54 AM " Look , the question I axe myself is , do I think we need another starter.Yes we do because as things stand on this day we have four starters so that means I need to get another one or maybe two because we don't know what this young guys will bring , now do I go and fill that via free agency or a trade? I will tell you this , I do prefer to go via free agency " Omar being cryptic as usual. Edgy DC Dec 29 2008 11:57 AM Thing is that Ollie costs us a pick also, because by signing him the Mets sacrifice the pick that would be coming back to them as compensation. We're not generally talking first rounders here, because the Mets already sacrificed theirs at the alter of K-Rod. Question is: if the Mets sign Lowe, do they give up their second rounder to the Dodgers, even if the team grabbing Ollie gives them a first rounder? Or do the Dodgers get that pick instead of the Mets sloppy seconds? soupcan Dec 29 2008 12:03 PM Did someone say 'sloppy seconds?' A Boy Named Seo Dec 29 2008 12:04 PM Hummina, hummina, hummina. Edgy had a good question, but I don't remember what it was now. Benjamin Grimm Dec 29 2008 12:22 PM You'd best be careful what you say about Jack Bauer's daughter. Frayed Knot Dec 29 2008 12:42 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 29 2008 12:48 PM ="Edgy DC"]Thing is that Ollie costs us a pick also, because by signing him the Mets sacrifice the pick that would be coming back to them as compensation. That's one way of looking at it. Two picks actually: the one they'd get from a signing team plus the supp. ]Question is: if the Mets sign Lowe, do they give up their second rounder to the Dodgers, even if the team grabbing Ollie gives them a first rounder? Or do the Dodgers get that pick instead of the Mets sloppy seconds? Signing Lowe means that the team with the better rated FA between Rodriguez & Lowe (I'm assuming it's KRod) would get the Met 1st round pick while the other gets our 2nd rounder. See also the discussion in the Teixeira thread. Whatever picks a team gains from losing a FA are untouchable by other teams. ="Seo"]Lowe is a type A FA and would cost us a supplemental because our #1 already goes to the Angels for Rodriguez. Not quite - see above or re-read Noble. Supplemental picks are just that, extra picks gained for losing a FA or not signing a draft pick from the last draft, and they're not subject to being lost. The Mets would lose their 2nd rounder for inking Lowe in addition to their 1st for Rodriguez. On the other hand they'd gain [Team X's] 1st or 2nd round pick (subject to several conditions) plus a supplemental if Ollie walks so it would come out pretty much even. Hypothetical: - Mets lose 1st round pick (~#25) to Angels for KRod - Mets lose 2nd round pick (~#70?) to Dodgers for Lowe - Mets gain 1st or 2nd from Team X (as low as #16, maybe as high as #80) for losing Ollie plus a supplemental (#35-ish) Keeping Ollie and making no other compensation-required FA signings means only the 1st round loss to LAA Frayed Knot Dec 29 2008 12:45 PM So is that the hockey gf that was subject to the 'sloppy seconds' talk of a few weeks back? Cuthbert, or whatever? A Boy Named Seo Dec 29 2008 12:50 PM FK, thank you for straightening me out on that. Also, how in the F do you know all that shit? soupcan Dec 29 2008 12:50 PM Elisha Cuthbert - yup that's her. Ashie62 Dec 29 2008 06:04 PM Derek Lowe has 2 years 144K each 201 IP 197 IP 55W 49W Olilie can't match that comp Ashie62 Dec 29 2008 06:07 PM ="Edgy DC":3qs4das5]Thing is that Ollie costs us a pick also, because by signing him the Mets sacrifice the pick that would be coming back to them as compensation. We're not generally talking first rounders here, because the Mets already sacrificed theirs at the alter of K-Rod. Question is: if the Mets sign Lowe, do they give up their second rounder to the Dodgers, even if the team grabbing Ollie gives them a first rounder? Or do the Dodgers get that pick instead of the Mets sloppy seconds?[/quote:3qs4das5] How many picks lead to anything..very overrated to me A Boy Named Seo Dec 29 2008 06:15 PM ="Ashie62":1nnnza57]="Edgy DC":1nnnza57]Thing is that Ollie costs us a pick also, because by signing him the Mets sacrifice the pick that would be coming back to them as compensation. We're not generally talking first rounders here, because the Mets already sacrificed theirs at the alter of K-Rod. Question is: if the Mets sign Lowe, do they give up their second rounder to the Dodgers, even if the team grabbing Ollie gives them a first rounder? Or do the Dodgers get that pick instead of the Mets sloppy seconds?[/quote:1nnnza57] How many picks lead to anything..very overrated to me[/quote:1nnnza57] That David Wright's OK.

I think I'm now off the Lowe bandwagon altogether. He is probably the better choice than Ollie for 2009, but if one of these guys is getting a 4-year deal, I want it to be the one turning 27 this year, not the one turning 36. Question, Rodriguez was a type A free agent, right? Assuming he was, and our first round pick now goes to the Angels, what happens if we signed another type A guy like Lowe? Supplemental? Ollie for 4 and Ben Sheets for a hefty 1 year would be my deal.

Where the hell is Roblatt?

I thought of Glavine this morning when I read the Mets were maybe close on Lowe. I like Lowe and I think he'd be fine, but don't want him instead of Ollie. I want him along with Ollie.

Wow. Now they just need to add Lowe, Sheets, Dunn, Fuentes, and trade for Jake Peavy and they can call it an offseason. (Merged from Tex a yank, 12/23/2008)

I practically expect them to have a Citi Field patch, but I'd be real surprised if it was that thing. What's the MLB rule about corporate logos?

Love it.