AG/DC wrote: Thing about Grace is that through much of his career, his game had a Keith Hernandez-type refinement, and it's still shocking to see that behind the game isn't a Keith-type mind, but a big galoot. Exactly. I was shocked to discover how dumb he was. I just assumed he was smart while he was playing. On a somewhat related note, I'm also surprised how dumb Lee Mazzilli is now that I hear him speak on a nightly basis.