I think I'm being unclear on my point(s). They are as follows: 1. Beltran is and was a terrific player. He is one of the greatest of all time, a borderline Hall of Famer, and he was great when he was here with the Mets. I'm disappointed he isn't appreciated more than he is. I get that some saw him as disinterested. I didn't see that at all. If anything, I saw a guy who was perhaps too sensitive to criticism. But it definitely seemed to me that he cared. 2. I am a fan of Beltran. Therefore, I hope he gets elected to the Hall of Fame. I hope when he gets elected his plaque bears the logo of the Mets, a team of which I am also a fan. Because of that, the topic of this thread matters to me. To some, the team that his plaque bears is criteria used to determine whether or not his number is retired by the Mets, an additional honor. So for those guys, the topic of this thread matters even more. 3. I agree that the plaque shouldn't be a brightline rule as to whether a number should be retired or not. I'm not sure I have a concrete rule for this. By it's nature, it's a matter of opinion. I don't know that I would retire Beltran's number. Even if his HOF plaque had a Mets logo. As much as I love Beltran, I am leaning toward no. However, I do think that Piazza's should be retired. And to illustrate that I don't think the HOF thing should go hand-in-hand with the number-retirement, I thought it would have been a great, GREAT move for the Mets to announce that they were retiring his number immediately after he fell short of the vote. I think it would have been a great show of support for a Mets great and a giant fuck you to the BBWA. If the stars were to align, and through some glitch in the system, I ended up as the owner of the Mets, I would first remove the orange dot from the hats, but my second move would be to announce Piazza's number would be retired. Then at the ceremony, I would introduce Piazza as follows: "Hey baseball writers, fuck you. That's right, fuck you. This is what I think of your voting: (I would then pull out a copy of the results, place it in front of me and mimic coitus.) This is the greatest hitting catcher of all time. He defined the Mets for nearly a decade. Brought them to the post-season twice, and a World Series. He also hit the single most important home run in New York history. Without him those teams would not have finished over .500 once. So fuck you baseball writers (mimic coitus again). We know a Hall of Famer when we see one. Congratulations Mike." (Then I would pull up my pants and go sit down).