Jose Jose No Jose!

[Benjamin Grimm]

None of Jose's former Mets teammates are on the current active roster. The only 2016 Mets who were here in 2011 are David Wright and Lucas Duda. Since the end of last season, four Jose teammates from 2011 have left the club: Bobby Parnell, Daniel Murphy, Jon Niese, and Ruben Tejada.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Staub wouldn't have wanted #4 during his second Mets tour. His preferred uni # was 10. Apparently, Duffy Dyer wasn't willing to give it up in 1972 or was never asked. So Rusty had to wait until Dyer was traded to switch from 4 to 10.

[Guest d'Kong76]

[fimg=500:wbzka3sl]http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/NYDN070616.jpg[/fimg:wbzka3sl]

[Fman99]

Daily News, keeping it classy as usual.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Yeah, my first reaction was it's pretty mean spirited. I have no way
of knowing but feel if it was a former Yankee star in a similar situation
returning to the Bronx to start over they wouldn't have the balls to go
with a similar cover.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

From the Not Sayin'/Just Sayin' Department: I recall no such back cover for Aroldis Chapman.

[ashie62]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: From the Not Sayin'/Just Sayin' Department: I recall no such back cover for Aroldis Chapman.

Neither do I

Maybe the MFY's are too pathetic to bash.

[ashie62]

Ceetar wrote: Edgy MD wrote: My problem is some thing you read that "fans" said, you end up putting on folks here. I would beg you to stop. Wasn't that Steve's game? Always making an argument against something nobody said, and then under cross examination, confess it was somebody on WFAN he was actually fighting? why am I only allowed to reference people or things said here? Maybe think of my posts as contributing to a conversation rather than part of an inclusive discussion. It's not a fight. There aren't two sides. It's simply a "here's something that I've noticed in the conversation surrounding this Mets topic. It happens to not be true."

Just think of it as the Big Bang Forum with lotsa Sheldons.

[Guest d'Kong76]

[Edgy MD]

With regard to the News back cover, I don't understand using text underscoring in a graphic design layout. It looks awful, and since they underscore the entire title and subtitle, it emphasizes nothing.

At least use a lightning bolt, like in the "Bazinga!" graphic above.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I agree about the underlining. Maybe they figured this cover didn't have much of a chance in the 2016 Tabloid Cover Derby anyway.

[Frayed Knot]

I read (or at least started reading) that NYDN article.
Basically it was one of those where you start out with the conclusion -- Met/sports fans are animals who would root for Hitler if he could hit .300 for you -- and then set about finding quotes from someone(s) who would confirm it. Might have been the only two quotes from sticking a mike in front of 75 faces, but those two become the basis of the piece.

[Zvon]

Fman99 wrote: Daily News, keeping it classy as usual.

The Post was no better. Back page tho. Hillary skates on the cover.

[fimg=500]https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/fdfasaff.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=780[/fimg]

[Zvon]

I didn't see this in any of the interview footage concerning Travis giving up 7 but I read it in an article today. When asked if Reyes offered d'Arnaud anything for the switch, Travis replied (appx) "That's something that will stay between Jose and I".

So...

[Guest d'Kong76]

The Rolex that Jose bought me is between him and I. Ooops, look
it has diamonds by all the numbers!

[Zvon]

d'Kong76 wrote: The Rolex that Jose bought me is between him and I. Ooops, look it has diamonds by all the numbers!

Trav should have just said WHATCHYUTALKINBOUTWILLIS?
Cause his response makes it look like there definitely was a deal.

You're right d'Arnaud, that should be kept between u & Jose. And you should have kept it that way.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Travis probably figured it's best not to fuck around with Jose.

[TransMonk]

[Guest d'Kong76]

Hah, I was just kidding about the Rolex.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, what a cliché. Get him a pinball machine or a barbecue or something.

[Zvon]

I wish the media would just wait until they have the complete story.

1) So it was a gesture by lil d'. Very nice.

2) Reyes said to the press that he would try to show his appreciation with a gift.

3) Reyes did w/a watch (how cliché but also very nice).

All very transparent, no solicitation involved. So why even try to spin it that way? Assholes.

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, what a cliché. Get him a pinball machine or a barbecue or something.

Ha. Believe it or not I hadn't read this before I posted that^.

[Centerfield]

I'd been away so yesterday was the first time I got to watch Jose since he's been back. I don't know if anyone else is feeling conflicted, but for me it's a real struggle. I loved Jose as a Met. Well, maybe right up until the last game, but whatever. I wanted to see him re-signed.

And when I see him play I want to root for him, and cheer him. I mean, he looks like the guy I loved rooting for. And I thought I'd never see him in a Mets uniform again.

But then I remind myself that Jose did very bad things. And sure, I still want him to do well. He's on the Mets. I want them to win. But I don't feel right just welcoming him back.

And then I have to temper that with the fact that the charges were dropped and we don't really know what happened. And temper that with the fact that there are a lots of reasons this could be the case and we probably have a pretty good idea of what went down.

And so I have to explain to my son why we don't chant the Jose song like we used to. But then I start wondering if I should temper the Bartolo love we have in our house.

Sorry, no real point to this post. Just venting a bit that being a fan is not easy.

[Guest themetfairy]

I can't bring myself to root for him.

He has tacitly admitted his actions. David Wright, who never throws anyone under the bus, commented, "I feel like what he did was awful, terrible. There’s just no other way around it."

I can't root for a wife-beater. I don't care that his wife didn't press charges. I'm not judging the victim, but I am judging her assailant.

[soupcan]

I think that you'd have a hard time finding a professional athlete to cheer for if all of their personal lives were laid bare and made public for all to see.

You root for the laundry.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think religion instructs us to hate the sin, but love the sinner. (Not that I'm the least bit religious, but whatever. It's a good sentiment anyway.)

I'll never have the affection for Jose that I once had, but I hope he plays well for the Mets, and more importantly, I hope he never does anything violent to his wife, or anyone else, ever again. It will be apparent to everyone whether or not he plays well, but unless some other incident becomes public, we'll never know the answer to the second part. He appears contrite. I hope he is. He's saying the right things. I hope he means them. He's in counseling. I hope it's working. But we'll likely never know for sure. This is not only an aspect of rooting for a sports team, but of dealing with human beings in general.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

#ImWithGrimm

[Guest themetfairy]

soupcan wrote: I think that you'd have a hard time finding a professional athlete to cheer for if all of their personal lives were laid bare and made public for all to see.

Of course not.

But when you are made specifically aware of someone's heinous acts, it's much harder to turn a blind eye to them.

BTW, why is there so much love for Jose Reyes and so much hatred for Matt Harvey. I've had this discussion several times, often in person with some of you here. I have never seen any allegations that Harvey has ever acted abusively towards another human being. Why is being full of oneself more derision-worthy than beating a much smaller person?

[TransMonk]

Agreed with Soupy and Grimm both.

I don't love Jose...I never really have. I appreciated him during his first run, but he was never one of my favorite personalities on the team...which pretty much sums up my feelings about Harvey.

[Ceetar]

soupcan wrote: I think that you'd have a hard time finding a professional athlete to cheer for if all of their personal lives were laid bare and made public for all to see. You root for the laundry.

sure, but leaving it in the shadows allows it to continue. The jock culture and the hero worship and the covering our eyes of things we don't want to see. it happens all the way down the line. Maybe if more professional athletes are held to task, if Baseball isn't shy about dragging the discretions into the light, (and I don't mean Harvey sleeping with two consenting women, or drinking a lot) maybe college athletes will start thinking twice about treating the women on campus as a perk of their scholarship and high school guys won't harass and abuse and chase away fellow female athletes and more middle school girls will stick with sports because they actually feel welcome.