Jose Jose No Jose!

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: I don't need to look up anything, Sarcastico. If you have located an opponent who has advocated the jettisoning of Conforto, please present this person, otherwise, please spare us such arguments.

here's an article pondering how Conforto fits into the plans and how. https://86again.wordpress.com/2016/07/04/will-the-mets-clutter-hold-conforto-back/

I exaggerated wishing Conforto into the cornfield, but the article does include "maybe the Mets should start prepping for the Nimmo era"

I was simply drawing a comparison about overreacting and making definitive conclusions based on a few handfuls of AB.

And it's a common enough theme. highly valued prospect gets called up an fans say "he's here now, you can't sit him." and pencil him into the lineup for the next 9 years. Hell fans were ready to jettison d'Arnaud this spring for Plawecki.

[soupcan]

Ceetar wrote: Hell fans were ready to jettison d'Arnaud this spring for Plawecki.

Now you're talking crazy talk.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I don't need to look up anything, Sarcastico. If you have located an opponent who has advocated the jettisoning of Conforto, please present this person, otherwise, please spare us such arguments. here's an article pondering how Conforto fits into the plans and how. https://86again.wordpress.com/2016/07/04/will-the-mets-clutter-hold-conforto-back/

Nothing in this article — which has nothing to do with anybody here — promotes jettisoning Conforto.

Maybe we should all look up "jettison."

Meet George Jettison!

[Edgy MD]

soupcan wrote: Ceetar wrote: Hell fans were ready to jettison d'Arnaud this spring for Plawecki. Now you're talking crazy talk.

Ashie, anyhow.

[Ceetar]

far more than just Ashie.


anyway, d'Arnaud gets 18.

[TransMonk]

Confirmed in the game notes: http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/documents/8/7/6/188062876/07.05_Mets_Game_Notes_zlfa07zv.pdf

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[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

A double tragedy.

[RealityChuck]

Ceetar wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I don't need to look up anything, Sarcastico. If you have located an opponent who has advocated the jettisoning of Conforto, please present this person, otherwise, please spare us such arguments. here's an article pondering how Conforto fits into the plans and how. https://86again.wordpress.com/2016/07/04/will-the-mets-clutter-hold-conforto-back/ I exaggerated wishing Conforto into the cornfield, but the article does include "maybe the Mets should start prepping for the Nimmo era" I was simply drawing a comparison about overreacting and making definitive conclusions based on a few handfuls of AB. And it's a common enough theme. highly valued prospect gets called up an fans say "he's here now, you can't sit him." and pencil him into the lineup for the next 9 years. Hell fans were ready to jettison d'Arnaud this spring for Plawecki.

The Mike Vail effect.

[Edgy MD]

My problem is some thing you read that "fans" said, you end up putting on folks here. I would beg you to stop.

Wasn't that Steve's game? Always making an argument against something nobody said, and then under cross examination, confess it was somebody on WFAN he was actually fighting?

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: My problem is some thing you read that "fans" said, you end up putting on folks here. I would beg you to stop. Wasn't that Steve's game? Always making an argument against something nobody said, and then under cross examination, confess it was somebody on WFAN he was actually fighting?

why am I only allowed to reference people or things said here? Maybe think of my posts as contributing to a conversation rather than part of an inclusive discussion. It's not a fight. There aren't two sides. It's simply a "here's something that I've noticed in the conversation surrounding this Mets topic. It happens to not be true."

[Edgy MD]

You're allowed to do most whatever you want. Post naked. Draw a picture of Muhammed.

And if and when you make another straw man argument, I'll again beg you not to.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: You're allowed to do whatever you want. Post naked. And if and when you make another straw man argument, I'll again beg you not to.

they're still not straw men just because they're not posting here.

[Guest themetfairy]

Ceetar wrote: Beltran is a Hall of Famer, and if it's not a blank cap, it'll likely be a Mets cap. That has seemingly been the bar for retirement so far.

With all due respect, no fucking way (on both counts)!

That he's a Hall of Famer is a close call, but I don't think he makes the cut. That he would go into the HOF as a Met is unpossible!

[Guest themetfairy]

cooby wrote: I'm not really a fan of retiring numbers, period.

I'm with you coobs.

[Frayed Knot]

themetfairy wrote: That he's a Hall of Famer is a close call, but I don't think he makes the cut. That he would go into the HOF as a Met is unpossible!

I think he will make it to C-town, and it's certainly not unreasonable to think he'd "go in as" a NYM (to the extent that such things are meaningful).

With now six different teams on his resume (and maybe still more to come seeing as how he's probably been the Yanx best player this year) there's no one team that has the majority of his career but he does have the most games & PAs for the Mets (just barely over KC) as compared to any other team. Granted it's still just over 35% of his total career but of course every other team is less than that, all but KC substantially less. He also hit the most HRs as a Met, most RBIs, highest OPS (except for some half-season stops) and had his only Top-5 MVP placement.

Whether he does or not has no bearing on my opinion regarding the retired number scenario (I'm against it) but Carlos with a NYM insignia on his HoF plaque's cap is not unpossible at all.

[soupcan]

Welcome home...


(I have a friend at the presser)

[Edgy MD]

"Hi, I'm José, and these are my guns."

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

soupcan wrote: Welcome home... (I have a friend at the presser)

Is he wearing a track suit and a fedora?

[Edgy MD]

Not for nothing, but when facing the media and trying to swim upstream against a narrative of domestic violence, the ol' sleeveless tee is maybe not the best choice.

[Guest cooby]

Edgy MD wrote: "Hi, I'm José, and these are my guns."

If Jose and his guns still hit triples like he used to, I will invite him, his wife, and family to my house for a pool party

[soupcan]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: soupcan wrote: Welcome home... (I have a friend at the presser) Is he wearing a track suit and a fedora?

Works at NY1.

[soupcan]

Edgy MD wrote: Not for nothing, but when facing the media and trying to swim upstream against a narrative of domestic violence, the ol' sleeveless tee is maybe not the best choice.

I think you gotta cut him some slack here. The guy is either about to go work out or just finished.

[G-Fafif]

"It felt so real. First he won the batting title. Then he signed with the Marlins. Then he was with the Blue Jays and the Rockies and there was something about him being arrested and he was a free agent and nobody wanted him, but the Mets did, even though they had a shortstop with a funny name, and they told him he had to go to Brooklyn and Binghamton, but then suddenly he was back and he was wearing No. 7, which wasn't a sure thing, and he was gonna play third because David was out for the year and his career was in jeopardy. It was like he never left but also like he was never really here when I looked at this blurry digital picture of him holding a press conference in a tank top and a cap with Mr. Met on it.

"Strange dream. Anyway, who're we playing tonight?"

Edited July 5, 2016 by Guest

[Edgy MD]

soupcan wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Not for nothing, but when facing the media and trying to swim upstream against a narrative of domestic violence, the ol' sleeveless tee is maybe not the best choice. I think you gotta cut him some slack here. The guy is either about to go work out or just finished.

Oh, I certainly will.

I just fear that there's a writer who will draw some reference to the popular-if-disturbing nickname for sleeveless tees, and un-necessary awkwardness, and yadda yadda.

[TransMonk]

d'Arnaud tells ESPN that #18 is for Peyton Manning.

[Guest cooby]

I meant for the Strawman!

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[Guest cooby]

holy heck, sorry

thank you, whoever fixed that!

[ashie62]

Edgy MD wrote: soupcan wrote: Ceetar wrote: Hell fans were ready to jettison d'Arnaud this spring for Plawecki. Now you're talking crazy talk. Ashie, anyhow.

You rang? Mea Culpa on Plawecki

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Not for nothing, but when facing the media and trying to swim upstream against a narrative of domestic violence, the ol' sleeveless tee is maybe not the best choice. I think you gotta cut him some slack here. The guy is either about to go work out or just finished. Oh, I certainly will. I just fear that there's a writer who will draw some reference to the popular-if-disturbing nickname for sleeveless tees, and un-necessary awkwardness, and yadda yadda.

If those are tats of his wife and kids on his arms, I imagine his counsel suggested he let folks see em'.

[Edgy MD]

Has there been a bigger case in Met history of a wayward Met vet returning and his numerical successor deferring to give him the number off his back?

• Staub didn't reclaim 4, letting Bob Bailor beat him to it in spring 1981, despite Bailor having virtually no equity in it.
  
• Kingman went though spring training in 1981 in 5, only claiming 26 (I think) after Scott Holman failed to break camp with the team.
  
• Seaver, of course, didn't need to bump anybody for 41 in 1983, because it was already on mothballs.
  
• Mazzilli didn't reclaim 16, although Gooden reportedly offered it to him.
  
• Jesse Orosco found 47 vacant when he returned, but then he didn't get to return at all, getting traded for Joe McEwing, and passing the number onto him.

None of them save Seaver had quite the legacy Reyes did the first time around, anyhow. I think the highest profile number reclamation was also #7, when Darryl Boston shed it in 1991 in deference to Hubie Brooks.