2016 Baseball HoF Voting

[seawolf17]

VOTE NOW. Up to ten, obvs.

http://baseballhall.org/hof/2016-bbwaa-ballot

[dgwphotography]

Bagwell, Griffey, Piazza, Raines.

[Guest cooby classic]

Crap. My votes didn't register. Then when I tried again I only picked one guy.

[Edgy MD]

It's going to occur to me in about five seconds, but right now, I'm all, "WtF is Randy Winn?"

[Guest d'Kong76]

dgwphotography wrote: Bagwell, Griffey, Piazza, Raines.

I took the first three, have to think on Raines... but now see voting is
not editable/changeable on this poll.

[Ceetar]

"You have tried to vote for too many options."

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I voted for 9 guys I think deserve it without looking anything up. I left off Clemens even though I know he belongs and Mussina too, although I'm on the fence with that guy. For some reason I never vote for Bagwell, and didn't again.

Bonds
Griffey
Kent*
Martinez
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Trammel*
Walker*

*- need to look these guys up

[bmfc1]

How are the schools in Cooperstown, NY? I'm asking for Mike Hampton.

[seawolf17]

Fixed it so you can fix your votes if need be.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Thanks, seawolf.
Fwiw, James ranks Bagwell #4 of 100 in his HBAbstract.. No descriptive
explanation, he merely wrote, "Pass." He also lists Mattingly as #12 so not so
sure he's not schmoakindaweed. His explanation, "100 ballplayer, 0% bullshit."

[nymr83]

This is the first year in awhile without a bunch of strong NEW candidates, which is good because there are still a shitload of good holdovers.

Amongst the new guys:
YES to Griffey
Wagner and Hoffman can just wait, there are too many players who are more deserving, I can't waste a ballot spot on a reliever.

My ten: Bagwell, Bonds, Griffey, Kent, McGwire, Piazza, Raines, Schilling, Sosa, Trammell
on the fence: Edmonds, Edgar Martinez, Mussina, Clemens. fuck Clemens.

[Guest cooby classic]

Thank you seawolf!

[nymr83]

I assume the number of ballots = the number of Piazza votes and nobody here has turned traitor?

[Guest cooby classic]

Now that I could revote, I voted for him

[Guest d'Kong76]

I added a vote for Raines, the peer pressure was too much to withstand.

[Vic Sage]

Because of the backlog and the steroids issue, I've now got 16 guys on my ballot (17, if i include Pete Rose). Here are the top 10:

*Bonds
*Clemens
Griffey
---
Bagwell
Piazza
Walker
E.Martinez
---
Schilling
Trammell
Raines

*If i exclude the 4 steroid boys, then i would add Mussina and Kent.

borderline/yes(eventually, maybe):
Mussina
Kent
*McGwire
*Sosa
Hoffman
Sheffield

Borderline/no:
McGriff
Wagner
L.Smith

worth a mention:
Garciaparra
Edmonds

one and done:
Anderson
Ausmus
Castillo
Eckstein
Glaus
Grudzelanek
Hampton
Kendall
Sweeney
Winn

When i looked at the numbers (WAR, JAWS, OPS+, HoFm, HoFs), i was surprised by the viability of the candidacies of both Mussina and Sheffield. I just couldn't get myself to vote for Sheff. And i still don't know how to evaluate closers. None of these guys (Hoffman, Wagner, L.Smith) have the numbers that Gossage had, but they're comparable (or better) than Sutter and Fingers, so i'm open to suggestion.

[Vic Sage]

and the backlog will continue into 2017, with the addition of the 3 Caballeros: Vladdy, Manny, and I-Rod

[Lefty Specialist]

dgwphotography wrote: Bagwell, Griffey, Piazza, Raines.

This.

Raines was one of the best players of his era and has kind of gotten lost over the years.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Griffey, Jr., Piazza, Bagwell, and Raines.

I could go either way on Hoffman. I knew he had held the career saves record until Rivera passed him, but his peripherals (WHIP, SO/9, SO/BB, ERA+, & save %) are really impressive.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Piazza
Griffey
Raines
Trammell
Bagwell
Hoffman
Smith
Martinez
Schilling

[MFS62]

Lefty Specialist wrote: dgwphotography wrote: Bagwell, Griffey, Piazza, Raines. This. Raines was one of the best players of his era and has kind of gotten lost over the years.

And that's why I didn't vote for him. He got lost on me.
While he was active, if somebody had asked me to name the 5 or so best players in the game, I don't think he I would have named him. He sort of slipped under my radar. So, I couldn't vote for him.
Sorry, Tim. If you were that good, you wouldn't need my vote to get in.

My votes went to Griffey, Bagwell, Piazza, Trammell, Kent, Smith, Walker and Hoffmann.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Assuming that the Mike vote is 100%, that gives us a Crane Class of Piazza, Griffey, Bagwell, and Raines (coming in with exactly 75% percent).

Maybe I should look under the hood and see if we can have polls report the number of ballots cast, and report each ballot item in terms of votes/ballots, rather than votes/total votes, which isn't very useful.

[seawolf17]

We could make an eleventh "EVERYONE SELECT THIS" option to give a more guaranteed number.

[nymr83]

who didn't vote for Griffey?

[Edgy MD]

We could make an eleventh "EVERYONE SELECT THIS" option to give a more guaranteed number.

I actually thought of that. But then I become even more of a nanny, going, "Will everyone PLEASE remember to add the 'Everyone Select This' option to your polls? And will all voters PLEASE remember to select it? Else our data is worthless and it's all just an exercise in pushing buttons. Which I guess it is anyhow but still." I'm annoying myself just thinking about it.

I went under the hood. No luck. Got good and greasy though.

who didn't vote for Griffey?

Welcome to the pool, Murray Chass!

[Gwreck]

Why does everyone assume Ken Griffey Jr. didn't do steroids?

I wouldn't say I'm surprised, but I am always somewhat confused by voters in these polls who have no problem with Griffey or Piazza but won't vote for Bonds or Clemens.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I think people also view Bonds and Clemens as criminals (with a grain
of salt), some of the others no so much.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Bonds and Clemens (and McGwire) brought a level of embarrassment to the game that Griffey and Piazza did not.

I know I'm in a minority here, but I think Shame negates Fame.

[dgwphotography]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Bonds and Clemens (and McGwire) brought a level of embarrassment to the game that Griffey and Piazza did not. I know I'm in a minority here, but I think Shame negates Fame.

Yep, and McGwire minus the juice is nothing more than a glorified Dave Kingman...

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Bonds and Clemens (and McGwire) brought a level of embarrassment to the game that Griffey and Piazza did not. I know I'm in a minority here, but I think Shame negates Fame.

shame is of course, subjective. I hate the idea that they're somehow worse because they dared to get caught. Like it's somehow okay if you're GOOD at taking steroids, but if you pick the wrong trainer, shame on you!