Bullpen 2016

[Edgy MD]

Blevins is an agent characterized by his freedom.

[Fman99]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy MD wrote: The Mets led in every game. The Mets should lobby for shorter games. I was thinking the same thing. If they played seven inning games, the Mets'd be going for the crown tonight. If they played seven inning games and someone catches the "inside the parker", the Mets are your 2015 World Champs.

And if I had a snooch I'd be diddling it. So there you go.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I loved Robles in Aug/Sep, and hope he gets the opportunity to pitch more important innings next year. And not ignored like he was in October. I love Robles in the springtime I love Robles in the fall I love Robles in the summer, throwing cutters I love Robles in the winter, choosing putters I love Robles each appearance! EACH APPEARANCE OF THE YEAR! I love Robles, why, oh why do I love Robles?! Because Tyler Clippard isn't there!

Hooray for both sentiment AND execution, here.

I think if Wheelers and Verretts and Goeddels are tossed at the bullpen problem, at LEAST one of them--likely more-- becomes a Hochevar, if not a Davis.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I get the impression the Mets were exasperated with Montero, however. They felt like he was either dogging it or not forthcoming as to his health, and it was costly inasmuch as we couldn't execute the 6-man the way they wrote it up and wound up giving too many starts to an ineffective Gee.

edit -- looks like I'm replying to the last message on page 1.

As for the bullpen I don't worry about that shit too much.

Verrett, Goedell, Robles, Reed, Smoker, Familia, Gilmartin ++ the usual array of free-agent, tryout guys, Rule 5's etc. No sweat.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Guest

[Centerfield]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I get the impression the Mets were exasperated with Montero, however. They felt like he was either dogging it or not forthcoming as to his health, and it was costly inasmuch as we couldn't execute the 6-man the way they wrote it up and wound up giving too many starts to an ineffective Gee.

I got that feeling too.

They were definitely pissed at Gee too.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I get the impression the Mets were exasperated with Montero, however. They felt like he was either dogging it or not forthcoming as to his health, and it was costly inasmuch as we couldn't execute the 6-man the way they wrote it up and wound up giving too many starts to an ineffective Gee.

It's things like this that I wish the Mets reporters would actually dig deeper into, instead of say Harvey's sleeping habits or where Syndergaard eats lunch. What really happened the day he was shut down?

[seawolf17]

Yeah, that was my point on Montero exactly.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Mark Simon of ESPN sez Mets ought to have a drink with Tony Sipp, a lefty late bloomer coming off a great year with Houston. No big platoon splits, 11+ K/9, 3-pitch repetoire, and probably the best ballplayer out of Pascagoula, Mississippi since Harry "The Hat" Walker.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Sipp's an interesting option. But does he have a decade of historic KBO/NPB dominance in the rearview, and not one, but two fantastic sobriquets?

Known as "the Stone Buddha" because of his steely resolve, unshakable determination, and cold, emotionless face on the mound, Oh is among the most decorated relievers in the KBO.

Oh, 33, carries one of the best nicknames you’ll encounter in pro sports: “The Final Boss.”

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

The final boss? Sounds like the team is going Chapter 11.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

It's a gaming thing, Oldy.

Dude, "Stone Buddha," though.

[Centerfield]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The final boss? Sounds like the team is going Chapter 11.

Then he's perfect!

(ba-dum CHING!)

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's a gaming thing, Oldy. Dude, "Stone Buddha," though.

Damn. I am old.

[Edgy MD]

I'd just like an heir from the Oh Dynasty.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Adam Rubin reports that the Mets are expected to tender a 2016 contract to Jenrry Mejia. (Rubin also says that Mejia would be eligible for the 2016 postseason. Does that sound right?)

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/113476/mets-planning-to-bring-back-jenrry-mejia-in-2016

Adam Rubin wrote: NEW YORK -- Reliever Jenrry Mejia greatly disappointed the New York Mets when he twice tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2015. Still, team officials plan to have the arbitration-eligible Mejia remain a part of the organization for next season rather than non-tender him at Wednesday's deadline. Mejia, 26, was due to earn $2.595 million this past season. He received only a prorated portion for the three weeks he was active in July between suspensions. By rule, arbitration-eligible players who are tendered contracts must receive at least 80 percent of their previous year's salary -- or a minimum of $2.076 million in Mejia's case. Mejia could even receive the identical $2.595 million salary in 2016, depending on how the sides settle or what an arbitrator decides. Still, Mejia will collect salary for only the prorated portion of time after his suspension is served. He was handed a 162-game suspension on July 29. That suspension came with 62 games remaining in the Mets season, so Mejia still has 100 games to serve in 2016. As a result, the Mets will have to pay Mejia less than 40 percent of his actual salary next season -- no more than about $1 million. Apparently, the club deems that expenditure worthwhile for the potential Mejia provides, despite the former closer's transgressions. Mejia will be eligible for the 2016 postseason. He is not eligible for free agency until after the 2018 season provided the Mets continue to tender contracts each December. Mejia is working as a starting pitcher for Licey in the Dominican winter league. He is 1-3 with a 4.09 ERA in seven starts. Opponents are hitting .287 against him. He has 20 strikeouts, eight walks and four wild pitches in 33 innings. The Mets in recent weeks have been leaning strongly toward non-tendering Ruben Tejada, who otherwise could earn in excess of $3 million as a backup middle infielder (coming off a fractured fibula in his right leg for the second time). A final verdict will be known Wednesday.

[Frayed Knot]

Thoughts (!!!!)
1st) Surprising
2nd) Maybe not so much.

After serving out the remainder of his suspension, Mejia would essentially be like a mid-season trade (and when haven't we needed mid-season bullpen help?) that you wouldn't have to give up anyone for at a salary of "only" one million or so. Plus he knows that if he fucks up again that it's the last ML paycheck he'll EVER see. Coming off a year where he took home, what was it?, ONE paycheck, that's pretty good incentive to keep clean.

On the flip side I'm betting that he hasn't been spending his enforced off time polishing up his MENSA application.




I guess the post-season ban is applicable for the year in which the player receives the suspension.

[Centerfield]

It's the smart move. And if you decide you don't want him on the team, you can always trade him.

[RealityChuck]

I wonder if Mejia got a WS share.

Teams are usually generous about shares and Mejia was on the active roster. I don't no how that might work with his suspension.

[Frayed Knot]

RealityChuck wrote: I wonder if Mejia got a WS share. Teams are usually generous about shares and Mejia was on the active roster. I don't no how that might work with his suspension.

Players' shares are strictly up to the players themselves to dole out from their share of the pool of money* that the post-season generates. I could see them cutting Mejia something for his two weeks of active service this season but nothing resembling a full share. Every dollar given out, after all, is one less dollar for the rest of them.

By coincidence, the news was out today that the Mets awarded 44 full shares along with 11.05 partial shares and 25 cash awards out of a record $16 million for a WS losing team (maybe Jenrry was the .05)
49 players appeared in at least one game this season. A full share was worth just over $300K/per






* The postseason player's pool comes from 50% of the gate receipts from the Wild Card Games; 60% of the gate receipts from the first three games of the Division Series; 60% of the gate receipts from the first four games of the League Championship Series and 60% of the gate receipts from the first four games of the World Series. That pool is divided between the 10 teams appearing in the postseason.

[Centerfield]

Rickey would have given him a full share.

I wonder how Mejia is treated as compared to say, Zach Wheeler or Josh Edgin. I imagine you'd be inclined to give Wheeler a full share, but give nothing to Mejia, who hurt the team with his selfishness and stupidity.

I wonder how much Bobby Bonilla got.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I read today that Mejia is not eligible to receive any share at all. That's also part of the suspension rule.

[MFS62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I read today that Mejia is not eligible to receive any share at all. That's also part of the suspension rule.

So I'm guessing that the .05 share went to Akeel Morris.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Kinda goofy if they tender a deal to Mejia but not to Tejada.

[Ceetar]

I wonder what the incentive is for Mejia here, to just take whatever crap the Mets offer? I mean, They could offer him the same 2.6 mill he had last year, of which they'd only really have to pay like a million of. It's basically nothing. Even if they went to arb, he's not getting much more than that.

I wonder if they could incentive it differently too. "Hey, sign this 1 million dollar contract with a 2 million "if you make 10 appearances" clause.

[Frayed Knot]

Ceetar wrote: I wonder if they could incentive it differently too. "Hey, sign this 1 million dollar contract with a 2 million "if you make 10 appearances" clause.

No, because the team must offer him at least 80% of what he was due to make this past year: 80% of $2.595 = $2.076
Now that'll get cut essentially in half due to him missing half the season but the rate at which they pay him can't go any lower.
To offer anything less than that in base pay they'd have to let him become a FA and then re-sign him, but then of course he'd be open to other teams' deals as well.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: I wonder if they could incentive it differently too. "Hey, sign this 1 million dollar contract with a 2 million "if you make 10 appearances" clause. No, because the team must offer him at least 80% of what he was due to make this past year: 80% of $2.595 = $2.076 Now that'll get cut essentially in half due to him missing half the season but the rate at which they pay him can't go any lower. To offer anything less than that in base pay they'd have to let him become a FA and then re-sign him, but then of course he'd be open to other teams' deals as well.

I wasn't sure if those rules only applied to actual arbitration or if they could agree to whatever they wanted.

[Frayed Knot]

It would be the same as trying to pay a rookie less than the mandated minimum; Mejia's minimum is just at a different level from a rookie's because of his service time earned to date.
So whatever minimum threshold is in a particular case and regardless of whether it's pre-arb, post-arb, or with a potential FA, if the club fails to make a minimum qualifying offer then it's treated as if they made no offer at all meaning that said player is no longer bound to that team.

[Gwreck]

Darren O'Day re-signed with the Orioles: 4 years, $31 million.
I was particularly disappointed to read this but then saw this note from ESPN:
"O’Day’s wife is a Fox News correspondent based in D.C., and it was no secret that he wanted to stay in the Baltimore/Washington area."

[Benjamin Grimm]

If any of us were hoping the Mets would sign Steve Cishek, those hopes have been dashed. He's signing with Seattle for two years, $10 million.

[Centerfield]

I guess Seattle would give him the opportunity to close.

Who's even left now?