Worries Here

[Ceetar]

dgwphotography wrote: I want them to win the whole thing. I just won't be too upset if they don't

you say that now.

[dgwphotography]

Ceetar wrote: dgwphotography wrote: I want them to win the whole thing. I just won't be too upset if they don't you say that now.

LOL - I thought the exact same thing when I hit submit. I'll be yelling at the TV all post-season ;-)

[Frayed Knot]

Gotta go for the brass ring while it's there.

I understand that there's a difference in attitude between a year where you thought you they could win it all along and winning in a year where much less was expected going in (or even in late July). But I also remember too many Met fans after the 2006 loss saying some version of; 'Ahh, it's OK, because the future is all blue skies and clear roads from here'. Yeah, how'd that work out?

Or ask Nats fans how their feeling of; 'Well it was fun just to be here' sounds now that the window on that particular core group of players looks to be closing [Desmond - Gone!, Zimmermann - Gone!; Span - Gone!, etc.]. One earlier than expected division run for an up and coming team (sound familiar? - wasn't it 2016 that was to be "our year") followed by three seasons of being a prohibitive favorite led to two first-round exits and two years of missing the playoffs altogether.

[Ceetar]

I think my biggest worry is endurance. The Mets are concerned with workloads and spending September helping their pitchers atrophy a little. With the possible exception of Familia, Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, and Matz are better pitchers than the Clippards and Reeds. There are a handful of innings that the Mets are going to give to relievers that the Dodgers are going to give to Kershaw and Grienke. This is mitigated, somewhat, by the possibility of using some of the starters in relief roles, but who knows how that shakes out.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I have a whole day off to worry, but I could see the Mets
getting swept by the Yankees.

[Edgy MD]

I think they're never gonna score again.

[Lefty Specialist]

Marlins better play the Nats as tough as they played the Mets.

[Gwreck]

With a loss tonight, the Mets would be 31-13 since August 1. Seems pretty good.

EXCEPT, when that is broken down:
1-5 against teams that will make the playoffs*.
5-0 vs Washington (the only non-playoff-bound but above-.500 opponent).
25-8 against teams that were making October plans weeks ago.

I fully believe the Mets will make the playoffs but I am terrified of a 3-0 or 3-1 drubbing in the first round.



*Assumes they don't come back against the MFYs tonight

[seawolf17]

Gwreck wrote: With a loss tonight, the Mets would be 31-13 since August 1. Seems pretty good. EXCEPT, when that is broken down: 1-5 against teams that will make the playoffs*. 5-0 vs Washington (the only non-playoff-bound but above-.500 opponent). 25-8 against teams that were making October plans weeks ago. I fully believe the Mets will make the playoffs but I am terrified of a 3-0 or 3-1 drubbing in the first round. *Assumes they don't come back against the MFYs tonight

You're right, but this team is still playoff bound, and that's all that matters right now. Use the next two weeks to get the guys you need in the shape you need them when the bell tolls.

[nymr83]

Pussy Bitch Harvey is going to cost the Mets a playoff spot.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I'm worried that they've generally looked pretty crappy for a week now, results notwithstanding.

[Gwreck]

Nymr83 wrote: Pussy Bitch Harvey is going to cost the Mets a playoff spot.

They scored 1 run tonight. This loss is not on Harvey no matter what people want to believe.

[nymr83]

Gwreck wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Pussy Bitch Harvey is going to cost the Mets a playoff spot. They scored 1 run tonight. This loss is not on Harvey no matter what people want to believe.

there are going to be games where you only score one run. you need to win some of them. you need to win the ones where your starter is absolutely cruising and could have easily gone 7 innings if not 8 and never exposed the middle of the bullpen.

[Gwreck]

This game matters far less than anything in October. I was perfectly fine with Harvey coming out after 5. Obviously that's not happening in October.

Most of the pitchers who did pitch tonight are not even in consideration for the post-season roster.

[nymr83]

Gwreck wrote: This game matters far less than anything in October. I was perfectly fine with Harvey coming out after 5. Obviously that's not happening in October. Most of the pitchers who did pitch tonight are not even in consideration for the post-season roster.

that's fine if there is an October, the Mets might want to stop acting like it is a foregone conclusion that they've made the playoffs.

[Zvon]

Nymr83 wrote: Gwreck wrote: This game matters far less than anything in October. I was perfectly fine with Harvey coming out after 5. Obviously that's not happening in October. Most of the pitchers who did pitch tonight are not even in consideration for the post-season roster. that's fine if there is an October, the Mets might want to stop acting like it is a foregone conclusion that they've made the playoffs.

And I think the ESPN booth said tonight that he will have similar restrictions in the postseason. Not that I think they know what they are talking about but they did say it. Something about it's supposed to be 180 innings including the postseason.

I know Sandy said (earlier in the season) no restrictions for Harvey in the post, but now I'm not so sure.

[Gwreck]

Zvon wrote: And I think the ESPN booth said tonight that he will have similar restrictions in the postseason. Not that I think they know what they are talking about but they did say it.

No. Inaccurate. They said the opposite. That the point of the restrictions now was so that there wouldn't be this issue in the postseason.

It remains speculation, as the Mets have not said anything about post-season restrictions.

[seawolf17]

If this happens in Game 1 of a playoff series, I would literally fear a riot.

[Vic Sage]

I am worried that the Mets' revived post-July31 offense was based largely on Cespedes' unsustainable hot streak, and now that NL pitchers have figured out that you don't actually have to throw Yo-Anus any strikes to get him out, his current 1 for 19 streak is going to continue, and the Mets 1-4 record with 10 runs scored over that streak will stretch into the post-season (if there even is a post-season).

[Benjamin Grimm]

That's a legitimate worry, I think.

[ashie62]

Washington is on a tear and these are the Mets.

P.S. This babying of young pitchers is costing us.

[HahnSolo]

I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is.
Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning?

[Ceetar]

HahnSolo wrote: I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is. Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning?

in a tune-up game? not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if eitiher spun an 8-inning 4-hit gem either.

[Vic Sage]

Ceetar wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is. Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning? in a tune-up game? not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if eitiher spun an 8-inning 4-hit gem either.

and that equal chance of sucking or being great is the very foundation on which worry is built.

[Ceetar]

Vic Sage wrote: Ceetar wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is. Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning? in a tune-up game? not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if eitiher spun an 8-inning 4-hit gem either. and that equal chance of sucking or being great is the very foundation on which worry is built.

also, drama, intrigue, baseball seasons and gambling debts.

[HahnSolo]

Ceetar wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is. Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning? in a tune-up game? not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if eitiher spun an 8-inning 4-hit gem either.

I'd be VERY surprised if Niese threw an 8-inning gem. And I'd feel that way even if the Mets lead was 10 and they'd just swept the Yanks.

[Edgy MD]

Who can you fully trust? That's a tough standard. You've got to march with the soldiers you've got.

I'd be worried if we had Bob Gibson 1968 going tonight and Walter Johnson 1913 to follow him.

Who's that warming up in the pen? Pedro 2000? STILL WORRIED!!

That said, Niese throwing a shutout wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's baseball. And he's done it plenty.

[Gwreck]

Edgy MD wrote: Niese throwing a shutout wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's baseball. And he's done it plenty.

He has 2 career shutouts in 176 career starts, so that makes you pretty hard to surprise I guess.

I do think a good outing (say, 7 IP, 1 run) wouldn't be surprising.

[Edgy MD]

Well, "it" doesn't have to be a complete game shutout.

He's thrown 30 games of seven or more innings with one or fewer runs allowed. I think that's an "it" we can all get behind.

[TransMonk]

The third Yankee game was a microcosm of my worries:

1. Great, young starting pitching that is getting held up due to limits/fatigue.
2. Offense that disappears for whole games (or several games) at a time.
3. Middle relief that continues to throw grease on a dumpster fire one after the next.

Nothing new (as all of this is mentioned above), but it was all included in that Sunday night game.