Friars Club (plus four interlopers)

batmagadanleadoff · May 31, 2015

Edited May 31, 2015 by Guest

Zvon · May 31, 2015

I will do that thing.

Zvon · May 31, 2015

Steve Swisher and Dave "The Face" Roberts?

batmagadanleadoff · May 31, 2015

Zvon wrote:
I will do that thing.

It's gotta be a Padres card.

Lefty Specialist · June 1, 2015

I hate the Padres because they started the whole camo-uniform trend.

Frayed Knot · June 1, 2015

Yes they did, although as a big military town I give them a pass on it. Blame instead the league and the individual teams with their copy-cat mentality who either can't come up with any new ideas on their own or are afraid they'll be accused of not supporting the troops and turned into a latter-day Kramer getting accosted for not 'wearing the ribbon'.

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Who is it that doesn't want to wear de ribbon?

Edgy MD · June 1, 2015

I agree with that sentiment.

Imagine how many homers he'd've had if he opened his eyes.

seawolf17 · June 1, 2015

In 1988, Topps thought Marvell Wynne, coming off a season where he was a pinch-hitter (only started 40 games) and hit .250, was worthy of a box bottom card? I have zero recollection of this.

Also, Marvell Wynne was definitely never a Met.

MFS62 · June 1, 2015

Although they drafted him, Alan Zinter never played for the Mets.
Neither did Steve Swisher.(Don't remember him being a coach)
But I didn't remember seeing Rod Gaspar batting righty, either.
But he did (he was a switch hitter).

Later

Edited June 1, 2015 by Guest

June 1, 2015

That's some spooky shit right there.

What's the deal with all these fake cards like this?

MFS62 · June 1, 2015

And Groucho Marx said he'd never be a member of a club that would want him to be its President.

Later

seawolf17 · June 1, 2015

Swisher coached in the mid-90s. We had this discussion in the Cubs thread.

So it's Zinter and Wynne as the interlopers; Wynne was in the Mets system in the mid-80s.

stevejrogers · June 1, 2015

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:

What's the deal with all these fake cards like this?

I'd imagine they are created by users of Out of the Park Developments as images for players without cards.

stevejrogers · June 1, 2015

seawolf17 wrote:
In 1988, Topps thought Marvell Wynne, coming off a season where he was a pinch-hitter (only started 40 games) and hit .250, was worthy of a box bottom card? I have zero recollection of this.

Also, Marvell Wynne was definitely never a Met.

IIRC, those were season highlights cards, hence Wynne being used...

Quick trip to the Trading Card Database, and yup.

batmagadanleadoff · June 1, 2015

SteveJRogers wrote:

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:

What's the deal with all these fake cards like this?

I'd imagine they are created by users of Out of the Park Developments as images for players without cards.

Someone on the web who goes by the name of "tibob" is creating cards from those toppsvault The Man From Topps photos in the style of that Swisher "card". In this thread, I used the Taylor and McAndrew Padres tibobs because no other Padres cards exist for those players. I also used a Gaspar tibob because the only other Gaspar Padres card I could find, actual or custom, was his '71 Topps, which is a capless head shot of Rod in his old Mets uniform -- not as much fun to look at as the tibob, sez me. And then, because I am so enamored of those toppsvault pics anyways, I used a coupl'a other Padres tibobs just because, even though other cards exist for those players.

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batmagadanleadoff · June 1, 2015

seawolf17 wrote:
In 1988, Topps thought Marvell Wynne, coming off a season where he was a pinch-hitter (only started 40 games) and hit .250, was worthy of a box bottom card? I have zero recollection of this.

Also, Marvell Wynne was definitely never a Met.

How could you tell Wynne's card is a box-bottom (it is!) just by looking at it?

batmagadanleadoff · June 1, 2015

seawolf17 wrote:
Swisher coached in the mid-90s. We had this discussion in the Cubs thread.

So it's Zinter and Wynne as the interlopers; Wynne was in the Mets system in the mid-80s.

I didn't card Zinter. Unless I did unwittingly. Where do you see Zinter? Or perhaps, Alex Torres is subliminally reminding you of the original big hatted Met.

Also, there are now four interlopers pictured. I added the other two when I edited the thread to include some Padres managers I had initially omitted.

batmagadanleadoff · June 1, 2015

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:

That's some spooky shit right there.

Dave Kingman's 1978 Hostess card.

seawolf17 · June 1, 2015

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
How could you tell Wynne's card is a box-bottom (it is!) just by looking at it?

Because those were the only 88s with anything other than a white border.
#baseballcardnerd

batmagadanleadoff wrote:

seawolf17 wrote:
Swisher coached in the mid-90s. We had this discussion in the Cubs thread.

So it's Zinter and Wynne as the interlopers; Wynne was in the Mets system in the mid-80s.

I didn't card Zinter. Unless I did unwittingly. Where do you see Zinter? Or perhaps, Alex Torres is subliminally reminding you of the original big hatted Met.

Also, there are now four interlopers pictured. I added the other two when I edited the thread to include some Padres managers I had initially omitted.

I didn't see Zinter either; just assumed someone else did. There's a lot of cards up there. Zinter was never a Padre either, so I'm not even sure how this whole thing happened.

Wynne is still right, though.

batmagadanleadoff · June 1, 2015

There are no Topps cards of McReynolds as a Padre. I figured though, that by now, what with the make your own baseball card fad picking up more steam with each passing year, I'd be able to easily find DIY or custom Topps Padres cards of McReynolds. I couldn't. Not even one.

seawolf17 · June 1, 2015

batmagadanleadoff wrote:

There are no Topps cards of McReynolds as a Padre. I figured though, that by now, what with the make your own baseball card fad picking up more steam with each passing year, I'd be able to easily find DIY or custom Topps Padres cards of McReynolds. I couldn't. Not even one.

As the forum's resident KMac fan, I asked about that once. He didn't sign a contract with them until he got traded. Not sure why he signed with Fleer and Donruss and not Topps, but that was why.

Zvon · June 1, 2015

Didn't I give someone some McReynolds Padres borders to make cards with?
Where's the beef!?

seawolf17 · June 1, 2015

Zvon wrote:
Didn't I give someone some McReynolds Padres borders to make cards with?
Where's the beef!?

That was me. Still haven't done anything with them; I should probably get on that.

Zvon · June 1, 2015

seawolf17 wrote:

Didn't I give someone some McReynolds Padres borders to make cards with?
Where's the beef!?

That was me. Still haven't done anything with them; I should probably get on that.

Tsk,tsk. Foooooooooooor shame

Batmags:I will make a rare exception and do that thing that involves making a Padre card. I'll do it, but my heart won't be in it. It'll be a heartless card.

batmagadanleadoff · June 1, 2015

Zvon wrote:

Batmags:I will make a rare exception and do that thing that involves making a Padre card. I'll do it, but my heart won't be in it. It'll be a heartless card.

Looks like you'll be off the hook anyways, unless you wanna do this for the fun of it: Nobody's nailed the interloper question yet and I'm in the mood to post the answers soon.

The Mets next opponent is the Diamondbacks and I'm probably not gonna do a card thread for that team. They've been around for less than 20 years, which means that most of the cards shown will be of the ugly and busy and garish and difficult to read variety. Plus, if there aren't any players from the late '60's and early '70's, I lose a lot of interest and these card threads are mostly about me anyhow. I mean, I get a big kick out of seeing Ron Taylor or Don Hahn in an opponent's uniform just because it's Ron Taylor or Don Hahn. But some fringe player from the '90's or 00's -- and let's face it, most of baseball's players are fringy -- I'm getting to the point where I can barely remember a good number of them as Mets, let alone as a member of some other team. Steve Reed? I'm talking about you, for example.

Zvon · June 1, 2015

Meh, if it's not a Met it's no fun. I kid, kinda- but the player has to be someone I like and/or respect to get into it. Taylor would make that cut.

The threads are not about you. But I understand what you mean. You do it for your enjoyment. I think everyone enjoys these threads. Wow, that B&W pic of Hahn is a rarity. Is Steve Reed a clue? Now I have to go back and look thru all the cards,lol.

Did I really get Swisher? I figured the other was either Dave Roberts or Doug Rader, those 2 D.R.'s I always mix up.

batmagadanleadoff · June 1, 2015

Zvon wrote:
Meh, if it's not a Met it's no fun.

batmagadanleadoff · June 1, 2015

So ... the four interlopers are....

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Marvell Wynne -- one of many 1980's Mets major-league likely prospects, occasionally and optimistically compared to Mookie Wilson. Marvell never made the Mets big club.

You say Jerry, I say Gerry Moses -- not technically a Met, but a Phantom Met, which makes him an interloper here. I guess if you're talking about players who never played for the Mets, then I'd agree with Moses's designation as not a Met. Moses never got into a Met game so yeah, he never played for the Mets. But he was on the major league 25 man roster; he took batting practice with Dave Kingman and Joe Torre and probably warmed up Tom Seaver and Jerry Koosman and got to eat from the post-game buffets; if the Mets were on the road during his stay, Moses flew first class with the Mets and checked into the Mets hotel and was assigned a Mets roommate. And so in my book, which no one is reading, that makes Moses a Met. He's a Met --- just not a Met that played for the Mets.

Jesse Gonder -- Gonder's MLB career ended in 1967, two years before the Padres inaugural season. I struggled to find any evidence linking Gonder to the expansion Padres or any of their minor league farm teams. I did discover that Gonder was the league MVP for the San Diego Padres --- but that was in the AAA PCL, in 1962. Back then, the San Diego Padres were a Reds affiliate. So that wouldn't explain Gonder's appearance on a 1969 Topps Padres card.

After some further poking around the net, I found this article from Ebony Magazine's 1969 Baseball Preview Issue, linking Gonder to the expansion Padres.

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Obviously there's a connection between Gonder and the '69 Padres given that Topps card and Gonder's appearance in Ebony Magazine, modeling a Padres batting helmet. But what's the connection? Gonder never played for the Pods, and the Padres don't even appear in Gonder's baseball-reference transactions section. Some more poking and voila! Apparently, Gonder was to the Padres what Moses was to the Mets -- a major league catcher on his team's 25 man roster who never got into a game -- a Phantom Padre. And therefore, an interloper here.

Bobby Klaus -- Klaus's major league career ended in 1965, so, like Gonder, he couldn't have played for the Padres either. So why would Topps make a 1969 Padres card for Klaus four years after he'd played his last Major League game? Here's why: Klaus stayed in baseball after his major league career ended, hanging on with several minor league teams. In 1968, the Padres acquired Klaus from the Phillies organization in the Rule 5 draft. I'd bet that Topps then carded Klaus, believing that his Rule 5 status would guarantee the veteran Klaus playing time on the nascent expansion team, with virtually every position, starting and bench, up for grabs. It never happened. But you already knew this because I told y'all that Klaus's MLB career ended in '65. A few days before the start of the '69 season, the Padres traded Klaus to the Pirates for ex-Met Chris Cannizzaro and Tommie Sisk.

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Zvon · June 1, 2015

batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Zvon wrote:
Meh, if it's not a Met it's no fun.

Warren wrote:
but the player has to be someone I like and/or respect to get into it.

Great info regarding the interlopers. Pods had some nice players to start, w/ Cito, Nate & Ollie.

batmagadanleadoff · June 2, 2015

Still jonesing for that '72 style Topps Padres card of Ron Taylor despite whiffing on the interloper quiz? No problem. Identify the Friar with the Mets connection pictured below and you can still win that card that zvon will make.

And no, that ain't Matt Harvey's uncle.

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