2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

[seawolf17]

Let's do this.

Link to bios: http://www.baseballhall.org/hof/2015-bbwaa-ballot

[Edgy MD]

This never works very well, because the polling device calculates percentage in a weird way. The denominator is clearly not the number of voters.

[seawolf17]

Perhaps, but it at least gives us some statistical sense of the temperature of the Pool.

[Edgy MD]

Certainly. Great job building the ballot. And we'll know the leaders. I'm just disappointed in the mechanism is all. No reflection on yerself.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
P. Martinez
E. Martinez
Smoltz

[TransMonk]

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
PMartinez
Piazza
Raines
Sheffield
Smoltz

[Guest sharpie]

Same as TransMonk except Trammell over Smoltz.

Smoltz can get in another time.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
PMartinez
Piazza
Raines
Smoltz
Trammell

[Frayed Knot]

Sure things first, I'll deal with the others at a later date.

Craig Biggio
Pedro Martinez
Mike Piazza
John Smoltz
Randy Johnson
Tim Raines

[nymr83]

The self-righteous writers have clogged up the ballot not elected guys who should have gone in years ago.

my ten:
Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
John Smoltz
Alan Trammell

others i also would put in:
Roger Clemens - sorry, i still hate you and i'm not voting for you if there is a limit of 10 and i like other guys
Sammy Sosa
Mark McGwire

maybe:
Edgar Martinez
Jeff Kent

but i cant even discuss these guys given the clog at the top of the ballot

[bmfc1]

Biggio
R. Johnson
P. Martinez
Piazza
Raines
Smoltz

(coincidentally, the same as FK.)

[Edgy MD]

Our top ten thus far.

[list:3pox7cmq]T1: Randy Johnson: 22
T1: Mike Piazza: 22
3: Pedro Martinez: 21
4: Craig Biggio: 20
5: John Smoltz: 18
6: Tim Raines: 16
7: Jeff Bagwell: 15
8: Barry Bonds: 11
T9: Edgar Martinez: 10
T9: Alan Trammell: 10[/list:u:3pox7cmq]

I imagine the BBWAA of America will be less enthused about Piazza, Raines, and Bonds than we are, and the 2014 class will include Johnson, Martinez, and Biggio, with a good chance at Smoltz.

Curious that the electorate is somewhat hotter to forgive Bonds than Clemens, and hotter to forgive Clemens than Sosa. Sosa seems to get a tiny bit more slack than McGwire, and Jose Canseco can go to Hell. If you clear the slate of steroids, they're all very strong candidates, but I guess this sort of nuance is a good thing.

[nymr83]

• T1: Randy Johnson: 22
  T1: Mike Piazza: 22
  3: Pedro Martinez: 21
  4: Craig Biggio: 20
  5: John Smoltz: 18
  6: Tim Raines: 16
  7: Jeff Bagwell: 15
  8: Barry Bonds: 11
  T9: Edgar Martinez: 10
  T9: Alan Trammell: 10

I imagine the BBWAA of America will be less enthused about Piazza, Raines, and Bonds than we are, and the 2014 class will include Johnson, Martinez, and Biggio, with a good chance at Smoltz.

Curious that the electorate is somewhat hotter to forgive Bonds than Clemens, and hotter to forgive Clemens than Sosa. Sosa seems to get a tiny bit more slack than McGwire, and Jose Canseco can go to Hell. If you clear the slate of steroids, they're all very strong candidates, but I guess this sort of nuance is a good thing.

Edgy MD wrote: Our top ten thus far.

if anyone votes but DOES NOT vote for Piazza please let us know so that 1) we can calculate a correct percentage of the vote for each player knowing the total number of ballots and 2) we can show up at your house in the middle of the night...

[MFS62]

Is there a bug in the voting software? Where players received one vote (e.g.- Delgado) it shows they received 0 % of the vote.

Later

[nymr83]

MFS62 wrote: Is there a bug in the voting software? Where players received one vote (e.g.- Delgado) it shows they received 0 % of the vote. Later

the % is the percent of all votes cast, not the % of the number of ballots cast so 1/202 (as of this post) is less than .5 and therefore rouded down to 0%

[Guest d'Kong76]

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
Martinez, P
Piazza
Raines
Smoltz
Trammell

[Edgy MD]

I'm curious about which voter didn't go for Pedro. Two hundred and 19 wins may not seem like a lot, if wins are a big part of how you measure things, but against only 100 losses, it's fantastic.

Pedro from 1997 to 2003 is one of the all-time great runs of excellence. It's Koufax-in-the-early-sixties good. It's Big-Train-in-the-mid-to-late-teens good.

We saw but a shadow of that Pedro with the Mets. He had four top-shelf swing-and-miss pitches. He was unfair and unfathomable.

[Guest d'Kong76]

How can you tell there's a vote missing?

[Edgy MD]

Well, at the time, the two co-leaders were holding down 22 votes, and Pedro 21. No big whoop, of course. He's in like Tony Gwynn.

[MFS62]

Nymr83 wrote: MFS62 wrote: Is there a bug in the voting software? Where players received one vote (e.g.- Delgado) it shows they received 0 % of the vote. Later the % is the percent of all votes cast, not the % of the number of ballots cast so 1/202 (as of this post) is less than .5 and therefore rouded down to 0%

Isn't the real HOF voting based on percentage of ballots cast? So if several voters vote for fewer than 10 candidates, it doesn't matter. Why is this calculated differently?

Later

[Edgy MD]

We didn't program the software, 62.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: We didn't program the software, 62.

Not pointing fingers, just asking, because it looked odd.
The explanation makes sense wrt how the percent was calculated.
Thanks.

Later

[Gwreck]

My Ten:
Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
P. Martinez
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Trammell


Left off due to lack of room on the ballot:
E. Martinez
Schilling
Smoltz
Walker

[dgwphotography]

Biggio
Johnson
Piazza
Raines
P. Martinez
Smoltz

The hardest for me was Bonds. I felt he more than anyone else was a HOFer before it was documented that he used PEDs, but I ultimately left him off.

[Guest 86-Dreamer]

Bagwell
Biggio
Johnson
Pedro
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Smoltz
Trammel

would add Larry Walker if I had more room, and maybe Sheffield and Kent

[seawolf17]

I am honestly stunned that anyone would vote for less than ten people this year.

[MFS62]

seawolf17 wrote: I am honestly stunned that anyone would vote for less than ten people this year.

I voted for nine. It was my protest because I could not cast a vote for Derek Jeter.
(SM= 99)

Later

[Vic Sage]

so far, Ed-Mart has a 1-vote lead over Schilling for the 10th spot. Sheff is a distant 12th, with 4 votes, just ahead of Kent and Lee Smith. Nobody else is on the radar.

[Edgy MD]

seawolf17 wrote: I am honestly stunned that anyone would vote for less than ten people this year.

Larry Walker played all or parts of 17 seasons.

He put up a percentage line of .313 / .400 / .565 // .965.

That OPS is 15th all-time.

He homered every 18 trips to the plate.

That slugging percentage? Twelfth, all-time.

He was a six-time All-Star.

He won seven Gold Gloves.

He stole 230 bases at a 75% success rate.

He led the league's right fielders in assists three times. He was second twice. He was third twice. For his career, he is 17th all time among right fielders in assists. He tuned 40 double plays from right field.

He was the 1997 MVP. This was in an offensive boom era so booming that you had to blow up the stadium to win an MVP. Walker slugged .720. SEVEN-TWENTY!

It's Colorado, Jake, you may say, but his 141 career OPS+ is higher than those of Prince Fielder, Duke Snider, David Ortiz, Reggie Jackson, Al Kaline, Bill Terry, Ken Griffey (both of them!), George Brett, and King Freakin' Kelly among other unimpeachable stars.

Larry Walker has thus far received zero Crane Pool votes.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'm assuming that, so far, 27 posters voted in this thread. Therefore, a candidate would need 21 votes for HOF admission based on the current voting (75% of 27 votes = 20.25; 20 votes constitutes 74% of the vote).

So far, six candidates received enough votes for admission:

Randy Johnson (27)
Mike Piazza (27)
Pedro Martinez (26)
Craig Biggio (25)
John Smoltz (22)
Tim Raines (21)
______________
Jeff Bagwell (18)
Barry Bonds (13)
Alan Trammell (13)
Roger Clemens (11)
Edgar Martinez (10)

Edited November 26, 2014 by Guest