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[Edgy MD]

Great stuff. I think the bridge may need to contrast with the cityscape to a meaningful degree, maybe by placing the skyline in shade and the bridge in daylight.

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: Great stuff. I think the bridge may need to contrast with the cityscape to a meaningful degree, maybe by placing the skyline in shade and the bridge in daylight.

Yes. Bridge needs to be lighter. Maybe sharper. Cityscape has to stand out more. Good eye. Another set of eyes is always helpful, thank you.

[Zvon]

The work is based on Gallo's original contest winning entree. Still needs some work. I'll whip up some alts and even try a color version.

[Edgy MD]

Wow, hard to argue with that.

Anybody else?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Looks great. I'd try it with a blue tint on the buildings and increased brightness on the sky behind them.

[Zvon]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Looks great. I'd try it with a blue tint on the buildings and increased brightness on the sky behind them.

Agreed & ty. I'll test a few different ways to lay that out. A color version is a must. I'll post some alts later tonight.

[Frayed Knot]

Y'know what's good on that one is that the UN building actually looks like the UN Building.
I think part of the reason I was having trouble getting all bent out of shape over the change is that I had no idea it was supposed to be the UN in the first place as, edge-on like it is on the logo, it just looks like any other square-ish structure.

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: Y'know what's good on that one is that the UN building actually looks like the UN Building. I think part of the reason I was having trouble getting all bent out of shape over the change is that I had no idea it was supposed to be the UN in the first place as, edge-on like it is on the logo, it just looks like any other square-ish structure.

If you look on the first two versions I had the side view. But I also never liked the way that is, that extreme side view. It didn't represent IMO.

I understand why it was done that way. Mostly for balance and the fact it's a silhouette type of deal. It works, but I did make an extra effort to show more of the UN building since you can see some dimension in the backdrop.

Here's a bunch of different tests look-sees. The blue one has some additions to the cityscape and should be the final version. I made them first and then did the tint work. The last one kinda antiquates all the B&W ones.

[Guest themetfairy]

NICE work Zvon!

[Edgy MD]

Zvon wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Y'know what's good on that one is that the UN building actually looks like the UN Building. I think part of the reason I was having trouble getting all bent out of shape over the change is that I had no idea it was supposed to be the UN in the first place as, edge-on like it is on the logo, it just looks like any other square-ish structure. If you look on the first two versions I had the side view. But I also never liked the way that is, that extreme side view. It didn't represent IMO. I understand why it was done that way. Mostly for balance and the fact it's a silhouette type of deal. It works, but I did make an extra effort to show more of the UN building since you can see some dimension in the backdrop.

It also wasn't so nondescript in it's day. It may look like any other squarish structure now, but it was distinctive in it's time, before the glass/steel/concrete rectangular prism became the standard for the contemporary urban skyscraper.

[Frayed Knot]

Not knocking the building, only that the way it was portrayed on the logo wasn't distinctive. You wouldn't know it was the UN unless you were told so.
Slightly angled the way Z has it is so much better and more recognizable.

I think I like choice F the best (lower right)

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[Guest d'Kong76]

They're all cool, except for the one with the black sky.
The Mets have enough black sky, they don't need to
advertise it.

[Centerfield]

Holy fucking wow zvon. The bottom two are my favorite. The bottom left is just amazing.

[Edgy MD]

What I meant to say is that it's outline would have been more recognizable in 1962.

Personally, I had to be told what all the buildings were.

[Fman99]

If you could get that on a tee shirt I'd buy it in a second. I love the bottom two choices.

[dinosaur jesus]

That's incredible. The bottom left is my favorite.

[G-Fafif]

Bee-yoo-tee-ful, as the Ol' Perfesser himself would marvel.

The bottom two, indeed. One for night games, one for day games.

[Zvon]

Thanks guyz

I'll post the final(s) when it's wrapped up.

The UN building is and always will be a beautiful structure. It's the base that makes it distinctive to me, gives it character. The whole thing is so 60's looking, even though it went up in '52. Like Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea 60's. It was pictured in the opening of The Man From Uncle. I'll never forget the way it was filmed in Hitchcock's North By Northwest (1959), set to Bernard Hermann's classic soundtrack.

Yikes, I just learned this:

When he was unable to obtain permission to film in the UN Headquarters, director Alfred Hitchcock covertly filmed Cary Grant arriving for the 1959 feature North by Northwest. After the action within the building, another scene shows Grant leaving across the plaza looking down from the building's roof. This was created using a painting.

I never knew that. A matte shot.

[seawolf17]

Z, those are fricking amazing.

We need a new CPF shirt design. Will we get sued if we use this? (Probably. Dammit.)

[Edgy MD]

I'm thinking we're so small nows, and probably fly under the radar enough that few would care. I mean, if we don't put any Crane Pool trademark on it. If somebody sees you in it, and asks where it came from, say, "I found it on that picnic table over there."

If Z doesn't use "Mets," and instead uses "Crane Pool Forum," it's a legal parody, right?

[batmagadanleadoff]

[fimg=544]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LiTDCK1Yn-g/VB9ZbAMWtYI/AAAAAAAAUZQ/Vtri4C-9D1I/s956/MetsRealogo2015-loTESTS-z14.png[/fimg]

This is great! The repeating logos also remind me of a Warhol Pop Art piece. If I owned the Mets, I'd commission a 3-D installation of this to hang at Citi Field.

Edgy MD wrote: I'm thinking we're so small nows, and probably fly under the radar enough that few would care. I mean, if we don't put any Crane Pool trademark on it. If somebody sees you in it, and asks where it came from, say, "I found it on that picnic table over there." If Z doesn't use "Mets," and instead uses "Crane Pool Forum," it's a legal parody, right?

I think that if you make shirts with Z's "Mets" logo in very small quantities, it might come under fair use. It would also help if no one's profiting from the shirts. Anyway, fair use determinations aren't merely checklists to meet, but are determined case by case. Also. your designated t-shirt manufacturer might slip into CYA mode and not be willing to produce the shirts, even in small quantities, no matter what the circumstances.

http://www.copyright.com/Services/copyrightoncampus/basics/fairuse_list.html

https://copyright.cornell.edu/policies/docs/Fair_Use_Checklist.pdf

[seawolf17]

Wonder if we could convince Darren Meenan to make a private batch for us. (Or, better, to produce them en masse and give Z a cut.)

[Guest d'Kong76]

Anyone know how http://shop.the7line.com/ gets
away with logo usage?

[Edgy MD]

7-Line tap-danced around infringement for a while and then eventually signed a deal with the Man, I think,

I'm looking at Zvon masterpiece and trying to figure out if I can comfortably embrace the drop-shadow on the [fimg=20:1l6yde2z]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/New_York_Mets_Insignia.svg/250px-New_York_Mets_Insignia.svg.png[/fimg:1l6yde2z]

[Guest d'Kong76]

From their FAQ's:
Q:" I REALLY LIKE YOUR SHIRTS BUT I�M A YANKEE FAN. CAN YOU START MAKING YANKEES T-SHIRTS?
A: NO.

[seawolf17]

Darren sold out to the man a little while back, which is why he doesn't do anything blatantly offensive any more (like my old favorite, the "at least i'm not an a-hole" shirt). But it's great for him, because it looks like they give him largely free rein, and he can use official logos now.

[Edgy MD]

Maybe we need to sign a side deal with Darren. Produce our designs under the protection of his license.

I'm sure our Lee Mazzilli's Head Rolls design would be his best seller.

[Ceetar]

seawolf17 wrote: Wonder if we could convince Darren Meenan to make a private batch for us. (Or, better, to produce them en masse and give Z a cut.)

He'd probably do it. go schmooze him at the Calendar Release party at the end of the year. (or more conventional methods) He's worked with others ideas before though I don't know the numbers behind it.

[Zvon]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Also. your designated t-shirt manufacturer might slip into CYA mode and not be willing to produce the shirts, even in small quantities, no matter what the circumstances.

I ran into a problem on a T-shirt design I made- they axed it because it was a re-creation of the 1966 Batmobile. I was pissed off about that because it wasn't a picture of the car, but a graphic drawing I created (I'm sure I've shared it here, yrs ago when I made it). But they said no, the "image" of the car can't be used. Bastages.

T-shirts would be kool if it can be done. I'll get a few done locally to see how they look. Under the logo, I want mine to say: " It's time to take back the city."

Thanks for all the positive feedback on this. It's funny, I didn't expect this response. Just having fun with the logo.

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: ..trying to figure out if I can comfortably embrace the drop-shadow on the [fimg=20]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/New_York_Mets_Insignia.svg/250px-New_York_Mets_Insignia.svg.png[/fimg]

I agree Edge. That was done for an early version where it needed to stand out more.

Drop shadow on NY dropped. Make yourself comfortable. Once again, when you stare at a graphic for hours sometimes you look right thru things, so thnx for your eyes & comment.

I hope to post the finished color one tonight. Adding details to make the cityscape more accurate to Gallos original.

I can't believe there's no game tonight. WTF? Only a week left before no-mo Mets game at all. WAAAHHHH!