See you in April David

[Frayed Knot]

Sept 9, 9:54 pm: David Wright will not play for the remainder of the 2014 season, the team announced late Tuesday.
�He will, instead, rest to abate the inflammation in the rotator cuff, and then begin a rehabilitation program to strengthen the entire shoulder,� the statement said.
Wright was seen today by doctors at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan on Tuesday. He underwent an MRI, which showed persistent inflammation in the rotator cuff in the left shoulder.
Wright may undergo additional testing later this week.

[Guest Trachsel My Tears]

It ain't testicles and hyenas, but it will give Herrera a chance to play for the next two weeks.

[ashie62]

I pray that he can avoid surgery.

[Edgy MD]

Don't like it. I don't know a lot, but the report suggests to me that he's diminished, not disabled. I'd keep him around as a bench player.

[Zvon]

This sucks but if it brings us back a Wright that can pop a good 25 HRs in 2015 then it's worth it.

Torn about this talk of Murph taking 3rd and Herrera 2nd here on out. Only cause I want to see Dilson at SS a bit. Don't want this muddying those waters.

[Edgy MD]

i'm dubious that shutting him down vs. keeping him nominally actives is the difference-maker with regard to his health in 2015.

[Lefty Specialist]

But I wonder if this is just 'inflammation'. I would hope that they go a little more in depth on this one, because I wouldn't be at all surprised if this needs surgery. And if it does, well, let's get cracking.

Sandy was just a little too 'take two aspirins and call me in six months' about the whole thing.

[Edgy MD]

Sure it could be something far more grave. I'm taking "persistent inflammation in his non-throwing shoulder" at face value.

Even if there's suspicion of something more serious, though, I see no reason to not keep him active, even if he doesn't appear again.

And then when the Mets reach game seven, he can limp out for one symbolic appearance a la Willis Reed. CAPTAINS CAN DO THAT!

[Frayed Knot]

Even if there's suspicion of something more serious, though, I see no reason to not keep him active, even if he doesn't appear again.

Well, I guess technically he's not INactive as in on the DL or anything. 'Shut down' in this case is more akin to not intending to play him as opposed to can't.
BUT ...

"doctors told [Wright] it is likely he can avoid surgery and he is confident he can return to his usual form next season ... but doctors emphasized that playing further could risk structural damage to the shoulder."


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/jacob-degrom-sensational-david-wright-season-mets-shut-rockies-2-0-article-1.1934222#ixzz3CufJNNYP

[Edgy MD]

Well, I guess that's reason enough for the bubble wrap.

Still don't like announcing it, though.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Still don't like announcing it, though.

To them I guess it beats answering; "no, not today" every day for the next 17.

[MFS62]

Reminds me of the old days when arm surgery was not a sure thing. They would put a pitcher mid year on the DL to "rest it to see if it gets better".
Of course, most of them didn't get better. So, the following spring training, they would realize they should have operated the prior year. So they would operate, and the pitcher (and the team) lost another full year of production.
Arm surgery isn't as risky these days, but shoulder surgeries are more complicated than elbows.
But with the improved diagnostic techniques available these days (CAT, MRI) the Doctors should be able to more accurately predict the outcomes.

(As you know, I'm not a Doctor. But my Mother always wanted me to become one.)

Later

[Centerfield]

I'm going to disagree with Edgy here. Not only do I think this is a no-brainer, I think this should have been done months ago. It is one thing to try to play through the pain when he initially hurt it, it is another to keep trying after he aggravated it further.

He should have been placed on the DL in June to allow the inflammation to calm down. I am glad to hear that surgery is not likely, but where there is any chance of this, the Mets should have been cautious. The Mets were never really in a pennant race, and whatever hope there may have been, it has been several weeks since that fairy tale was even entertained. I can't understand why it took this long.

Sandy is right, David acted like a captain. I don't blame him at all. The ones that dropped the ball were Sandy, the owners, and management (let's be honest, it's most likely the owners). They needed to be the adults in the room and were not. This, unfortunately, is not surprising.

Now let's stop being foolish and shut down the closer that is trying to pitch through a hernia before he blows out his arm.

[Guest Trachsel My Tears]

Centerfield wrote: shut down the closer that is trying to pitch through a hernia before he blows out his arm.

It's a bifurcated testicle.

Yeah, in retrospect, the time to shut Wright down is not September 9. More like August 9 or July 9. But they may have sold a few extra tickets in those two months.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Centerfield wrote: He should have been placed on the DL in June to allow the inflammation to calm down....

The best thing for the Mets would've been not to re-sign Wright in the first place. If you can get over your emotional attachment to him, the Mets were farther away from anything in 2012 than they are now. The team's so financially crippled that their payroll is in the low $80M's. So why the hell would they invest about 25% of their entire load on one past his prime and on the wrong side of 30 player? Sandy Alderson could probably plug three holes with the money the Mets are spending on Wright.

[Ceetar]

Trachsel My Tears wrote: Centerfield wrote: shut down the closer that is trying to pitch through a hernia before he blows out his arm. It's a bifurcated testicle. Yeah, in retrospect, the time to shut Wright down is not September 9. More like August 9 or July 9. But they may have sold a few extra tickets in those two months.

I doubt they sold a few extra tickets. I mean, it's not like Wright was having a powerhouse year anyway.

He's played through this injury pretty much all year. Sure, it didn't heal but it's not like it was eminently going to explode. That's just not really how baseball teams generally operate. You could shut down everyone for every little nick and bruise, but then you'd have no players.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: You could shut down everyone for every little nick and bruise, but then you'd have no players.

Or you could spend $20M of your $80M+ allowance on one player. That'll leave you with about $60M to assemble the rest of the 24 guys on the roster.

[Ceetar]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: You could shut down everyone for every little nick and bruise, but then you'd have no players. Or you could spend $20M of your $80M+ allowance on one player. That'll leave you with about $60M to assemble the rest of the 24 guys on the roster.

Or you could stop projecting Mets payroll like anyone has any clue what it's going to be.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: You could shut down everyone for every little nick and bruise, but then you'd have no players. Or you could spend $20M of your $80M+ allowance on one player. That'll leave you with about $60M to assemble the rest of the 24 guys on the roster. Or you could stop projecting Mets payroll like anyone has any clue what it's going to be.

I many not know what precisely the Mets 2015 opening day payroll will be, but I think I've got plenty of clues to guide my thinking.

What I do now is what the Mets payroll was during the first two years of Wright's new contract. And I can tell you for sure that given how broke the Mets were, and how bad they were, and how far away from contention they were -- Wright's contract makes little sense.

[Ceetar]

And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention,both in the past few seasons and likely the window to become competitive again.

The Mets only need next year to make the playoffs is offense and they have a top-flight 3Bman under contract. I'm glad for that.

[Edgy MD]

And the scoreboard. Don't forget the scoreboard.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention

You think it matters between finishing 15 or 20 games out? And between the two, I'd prefer a 20 games out finish. (Draft pick)

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: And the scoreboard. Don't forget the scoreboard.

We shall never forget the ugliest ... scoreboards ... in baseball ... baseball ... baseball.

[Ceetar]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention You think it matters between finishing 15 or 20 games out? And between the two, I'd prefer a 20 games out finish. (Draft pick)

batmagadanleadoff wrote: And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention

yes. When teams try to go from 70 wins to contention it's proclaimed to be too big a jump. 77 to contention is more believable. Also, already having one more solid player generally means you're closer. fuck a pick that may or may not help in 2020. The savings of already having David Wright versus having to pay to acquire that production more than makes up for the value added by moving up 5 spots in the draft order.

[Edgy MD]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention You think it matters between finishing 15 or 20 games out? And between the two, I'd prefer a 20 games out finish. (Draft pick)

Plenty of 20-games-out teams out there to pick from. Diamondbacks, perhaps.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: i'm dubious that shutting him down vs. keeping him nominally actives is the difference-maker with regard to his health in 2015.

It's not necessarily inconsequential, though. The sooner he starts resting, the sooner he sees whether out-and-out rest helps; should more serious intervention be involved, it saves potentially-significant time on the back end (time that's probably worth more than two weeks of pinch-hitting).

[Edgy MD]

Well, I guess, but the "nominally active" I present is meant to alternatively suggest "mostly restive."

[Guest d'Kong76]

Shutting him down for the rest of the season beats a press
conference tonight with him in sling saying it's been barking
all year and I tried to play through it but when I swung I heard
this pop and I can barely lift my arm. We'll go for an mri to-
morrow and let the good doctors see what going on in there
now and hope surgery isn't necessary.

Sheesh, it's like fifteen games people!

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: Shutting him down for the rest of the season beats a press conference tonight with him in sling saying it's been barking all year and I tried to play through it but when I swung I heard this pop and I can barely lift my arm. We'll go for an mri to- morrow and let the good doctors see what going on in there now and hope surgery isn't necessary. Sheesh, it's like fifteen games people!

well, that first probably wasn't a likely risk as he's been playing with it for a while.

the timetable is probably such that he has exactly enough time to recover from surgery if rehab don't work.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Just sayin'. What if he hurt it sliding or diving to rob
a double or falling into the stands or tripping over the
shortstop on a foul ball catch? Everyone would be second
guessing why was he allowed to be out there playing hurt
when the games are somewhat meaningless.