Tulo Temps

[Edgy MD]

More reputable sources (Jeff F. Passan, are you reputable?) continue to run with reports of the Mets making serious inquiries about serious shortstop Troy Tulowitzki. I'm too old to get excited by anything less than a bird in the hand, but I guess I hear gears moving.

What do you think is going to happen with the Mets and this oft-injured Hall of Fame-quality talent?

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[batmagadanleadoff]

I'd vote "It could happen but I'd be surprised", which is not an option. Do the Rockies need pitching? I haven't been following. But if the Rockies do, and really, who doesn't, the Mets have surplus young arms with high ceilings in such quantities that you'd think this was 1967 and Whitey Herzog was shaping the Mets development system.

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[smg58]

It's very tough to say. Tulo and Cargo have been the subject of rumors for several years, mainly because the Rockies always look like sellers, but they're both under reasonable contracts for quite some time. I'm not sure how dealing either of them would speed up their rebuilding process, but then again they've had both of them long enough that should have a lot more to show for it than they do. I'm not expecting anything, but you absolutely have to ask about Tulowitski -- getting him would make getting Piazza seem underwhelming in comparison.

[Ceetar]

I sometimes wonder if like ESPN whispers to a writer "hey, we need something to talk about, start up a trade rumor for us. big guy."

I mean as far as I can see the Mets may have inquired as to the availability of said players. The Rockies have hinting they'd possible be willing to move him, but there are about a billion hurdles before we get to the "The Mets and Rockies are nearing a deal"

I mean, we're getting close to the deadline now so anything's possible. They certainly are going to be taking offers and passing offers along to the other suitors to try to get someone to top it. But we're probably at the initial stage where they've thrown out an initial price and people are calling their backers but no one's come close to actually meeting, much less exceeding, the initial price.

So yeah. the second one.

[Guest d'Kong76]

What is he DL'd for this time?

[Guest d'Kong76]

I took #2

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: I sometimes wonder if like ESPN whispers to a writer "hey, we need something to talk about, start up a trade rumor for us. big guy."

Except we're days from the trade deadline. Nobody has to fabricate anything in order to pursue a story.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: I sometimes wonder if like ESPN whispers to a writer "hey, we need something to talk about, start up a trade rumor for us. big guy." Except we're days from the trade deadline. Nobody has to fabricate anything in order to pursue a story.

Trade deadline ain't what it used to be.

Besides, this story's been going on a week now. Has it actually heated up as we approach the deadline or is it one of those recursive buzz feeding the rumor feeding the buzz stories?

That's all I mean, that it sometimes feels like there's a collective push to over-indulge in certain rumors.

[Frayed Knot]

Some Tulo-facts so as to help you along

* Contract runs thru 2020 plus an option for 2021: $20/per thru 2019; $14 mil in 2020; $15mil in 2021 or $4mil buyout. IOW, approx $123mil with the remainder of this year's money and assuming the buyout

* [u:1f3rsgus]Can only be traded once[/u:1f3rsgus] during the length of the contract, IOW acquiring team effectively inherits a N-T situation even though there's no clause now and he will not reach 10/5 rights until this deal is just about up

* Turns 30 in October - about the same age as Wright was when he was signed. The two deals will run concurrently and end at the same time

* Has missed 210 games over the past four seasons (2010-2013) and around 300 (and counting) since 2008 - IOW, between 10-15% of the time (or close to 2 full seasons) over the last 7 years

* Is from southern California so naturally his dream is to succeed Derek Jeter in the Bronx ... or so it is assumed.

[ashie62]

Tulo is injured more than Reyes was.. #1

[Guest d'Kong76]

And I refuse to call him Tulo no matter where
he ends up!

[Edgy MD]

Ashie62 wrote: Tulo is injured more than Reyes was.. #1

Well, that depends on how you frame the question, I imagine. He certainly is good more than Reyes was.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: Some Tulo-facts so as to help you along * Contract runs thru 2020 plus an option for 2021: $20/per thru 2019; $14 mil in 2020; $15mil in 2021 or $4mil buyout. IOW, approx $123mil with the remainder of this year's money and assuming the buyout * Can only be traded once during the length of the contract, IOW acquiring team effectively inherits a N-T situation even though there's no clause now and he will not reach 10/5 rights until this deal is just about up

I forgot to consider TT's contract when I first posted in this thread. On second thought, this ain't happening. I suppose.

[TransMonk]

A trade for Tulo doesn't sound very "Sandy" to me (or modern-day "Wilpon", for that matter). But it would fit a current need very nicely.

I went with #2. I'd be surprised, but not upset.

[metirish]

d'Kong76 wrote: I took #2

me too....

[Guest themetfairy]

Me three.

[metsmarathon]

Of COURSE it's going to happen. Otherwise why would the internet be speculating about it? The internet never guesses wrong guys. If this doesn't pan out, it's all because Jeff opened up his stupid cereal-filled mouth and ruined the goddamn thing.

[bmfc1]

O'Connor found a way to rip Tulowitzki and praise Jeter: http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/11273496/troy-tulowitzki-looks-more-alex-rodriguez-derek-jeter

[Frayed Knot]

O'Connor found a way to rip Tulowitzki and praise Jeter: http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/11273496/troy-tulowitzki-looks-more-alex-rodriguez-derek-jeter

From that piece:
Tulowitzki has made it fairly clear he wants to play Jeter's position, in Jeter's house, in 2015, and by taking in [the game] among 45,062 fellow fans, he all but rented a plane and put it in writing across the Bronx sky.

Has Tulowitzki really "made it clear" or is it more O'Connor (Jeter's biographer don't forget) and his fellow writers inviting the story they want to see?
And if TT really is pining to succeed Jeter in the Bronx then he shouldn't have signed a contract to play in Denver that runs until Jeter turns 63. Guess what players?: those lengthy contracts have drawbacks to them as well as (ridiculous) upsides and you have to live with them both.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Thassa long, long, big contract to eat.

[Edgy MD]

O'Connor deeming him un-worthy ("Jeter's position"? Really?) only serves to grease the skids to Flushing.

It's a long deal, but he's got a lot more chance of living up to it than Johan Santana (for instance) ever had of living up to his.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Oh, I don't mean I wouldn't want to pay it. I mean, it's a long, big contract for these guys to take on.

[Fman99]

Trust me, you can't get "too low."

[Edgy MD]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Oh, I don't mean I wouldn't want to pay it. I mean, it's a long, big contract for these guys to take on.

I don't believe, if they believe he's worth it, according to their calculus, they wouldn't pay it.

Whether he is worth it, and whether he's worth the package that Colorady will ask, that's certainly another question.

[Gwreck]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Thassa long, long, big contract to eat.

But costs no draft picks the way a FA signing would. Besides, we have comitted ownership in the biggest media market in the country, of course.

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: And I refuse to call him Tulo no matter where he ends up!

I'm pretty sure he's only called Tulo because people are too lazy to figure out how to spell Tulowitzki

[Edgy MD]

Gwreck wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Thassa long, long, big contract to eat. But costs no draft picks the way a FA signing would. Besides, we have comitted ownership in the biggest media market in the country, of course.

Oh, man, are you gonna be sorry when Fred comes home.

[bmfc1]

All the NY writers quickly say that Tulowitzki wears "2" for Jeter. Maybe that's true to an extent, but his name isn't "Eightowitzski".

[Edgy MD]

Off day on July 30, coming off a winning series. I imagine something is being bandied about, if only a present-for-present deal, like Bartolo-for-an-outfielder.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Jon Heyman wrote: The Rockies and Mets haven't gotten off the ground on talk about Colorado superstars Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez, so any chance to do a deal will likely have to wait for the winter. "Unless we do speed dating, I think that's safe to say [that any deal will wait until winter]," one person involved in the limited talks said. There was a suggestion that the Rockies were waiting for a call Monday that never came, but a Mets person denied they neglected to call. In any case, all sides agree that there has been nothing beyond base touching here. The Rockies believe the Mets are one of the teams that matches up well with them since New York has an impressive list of pitching prospects. Ultimately, the Mets don't see themselves as likely to land Tulowitzki -- "he wants to be a Yankee" one Mets person said, stating what has becoming obvious -- so Gonzalez will presumably be the main focus of talks once they hook up.