A-Rod and others in new PED report

[Edgy MD]

Whenever I hear Biogenesis, I think Biohazard is re-uniting, with Phil Collins on drums and producing.

[ashie62]

Peter Gabriel is also on "the List"

[Edgy MD]

Reyes working out with a sledgehammer suddenly starting to make all sorts of sense.

[MFS62]

IIRC, when the news broke about Biogenesis, it advertised itself as providing non-steroid (steroid alternative) products. I think some of the athletes and agents went to them based on that (mis)information. The company website said they provide counselling to clients, and fully describe the products/ treatments they would prescribe. Some of those named have said they went there only for that counselling.
So it could be the players went there in good faith and were duped. But there is still no excuse for not checking out the ingredients against the MLB banned substance list before taking them.

Later

[Ceetar]

MFS62 wrote: IIRC, when the news broke about Biogenesis, it advertised itself as providing non-steroid (steroid alternative) products. I think some of the athletes and agents went to them based on that (mis)information. The company website said they provide counselling to clients, and fully describe the products/ treatments they would prescribe. Some of those named have said they went there only for that counselling. So it could be the players went there in good faith and were duped. But there is still no excuse for not checking out the ingredients against the MLB banned substance list before taking them. Later

Well these guys didn't get busted by the MLB drug tests after all. Maybe they didn't.

I don't think misinformation is the right word so much as plausible deniability.

[Frayed Knot]

So it seems that MLB, frustrated in attempts to obtain documents from the BioGenesis Clinic either through the Miami paper that first reported them or through legal action, is going to route of purchasing them from unnamed former employees. One reason they want to get their hands on them is that there are rumors of one or more of the players named in those papers trying to purchase them first so as to keep his name out of any further action.
Reports surfaced last night with the name of the player linked to trying, via an intermediary, to make such a purchase and, to the surprise of no one, that player is Alex Rodriguez

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/13/sports/baseball/baseball-believes-alex-rodriguez-bought-clinic-documents.html?hp&_r=0

[Edgy MD]

Suppression of evidence. Nice.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

I wonder if it was the same cousin who bought roids for him in DR.

[Edgy MD]

Twitter buzz suggests that these suspensions are about to come down. Besides half the Yankees (but not Jeter, never Jeter), this could turn out to be recorded as a second offense for Ryan Braun.

The only Mettish character that looks to be exposed here is Cesar Puello. Is this photo of superhuge Puello with a baby face real?



That photo alone should be enough to get him suspended. It looks like his head got put on somebody else's body.

[Zvon]

I deny everything and demand proof.

[MFS62]

Say it ain't so, Puello.

Later

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

So if ARoid gets a 100-game suspension, you have to figure his Hall of Fame changes are shot, right? Most of the guys who people talk of as getting in eventually -- Clemens, Bonds -- never got suspended. One who did, Palmiero, isn't give much of a chance.

[ashie62]

First off, I'm guessing more like 50-75 players exposed with most being 50 game suspension violations.

Second..probably no one serves a suspension until appeals likely get heard in the off season I would guess..

Third, Marlon Byrd may have a 100 coming but he is not a key cog in Metland

Lastly, Pujols, J Hamilton & Jeter for shits nd giggles..

[metsmarathon]

i don't much understand hte pujols hate, nor the jhamilton.

all pujols did is be good. is it just to protect against the notion that he couldn't possibly be that good, thereby protecting the sanctity of those hwo we know to have been that good, that they may have fewer peers?

and why would you want to see hamilton rended? i'm much prefer his to be a story of triumph, or at least of righting his own ship. too many people fall down already. why not have some stay up.

jeter would be, in a sense, delicious. in another sense, it would be terrible. i don't find myself rooting for his destruction - only for the slap in the face to the mfy fans. and that makes me feel somewhat awful.

[Ceetar]

metsmarathon wrote: jeter would be, in a sense, delicious. in another sense, it would be terrible. i don't find myself rooting for his destruction - only for the slap in the face to the mfy fans. and that makes me feel somewhat awful.

I doubt Jeter is involved in Biogensis as much as I doubt he's never taken a steroid in his life. Seems like a guy to stick with what's worked for him in the past and not gotten him caught. (Same for Rivera for that matter, and really 95% of any Yankee from the late 90s early 2000s that didn't get caught yet)

[Frayed Knot]

Ashie62 wrote: First off, I'm guessing more like 50-75 players exposed with most being 50 game suspension violations.

Based on ?

Third, Marlon Byrd may have a 100 coming but he is not a key cog in Metland

Nor, unless I've missed something, is he mentioned as one being tied to this clinic.

[Vic Sage]

Shoot `em all up with juice and play ball!
Yee haw!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

So, they hit Bosch with an expensive bullshit parfait-of-a-nuisance-suit, whisper to the feds enough to justify a costly-to-defend fishing trip... then offer to drop the suit and whisper to the feds on his behalf if he gives them something.

Sounds totally above-board and airtight. Way to go, MLB!

Edited June 5, 2013 by Guest

[Benjamin Grimm]

Mets farmhand Cesar Puello is reportedly one of the players mixed up in this.

[ashie62]

Based on.....where there are 20 known cockroaches..there are usually more.

Byrd? He dipped in once... I hope he avoided Biogenesis...

[Edgy MD]

The notion that there are bound to be more hardly implicates Byrd.

[Gwreck]

Ryan Braun suspended for balance of 2013 season by MLB. Source: Rubin twitter.

[bmfc1]

The Mets close the season with Milwaukee so their path to the pennant just got easier.

[smg58]

Braun is not appealing.

On edit: in more ways than one.

[batmagadanleadoff]

smg58 wrote: Braun is not appealing. On edit: in more ways than one.

I suppose that more details will emerge, but MLB got Braun to admit using PED's. So who knows what MLB has on Braun.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22849636/ryan-braun-admits-ped-use-suspended-for-rest-of-2013

[ashie62]

Wow...I kinda thought lawyering would hold MLB up...

[ashie62]

Phone call for Alex Rodriguez...

[TransMonk]

He's a cheater and a liar. F him.

If I was Matt Kemp, I'd be livid right now.

[ashie62]

TransMonk wrote: He's a cheater and a liar. F him. If I was Matt Kemp, I'd be livid right now.

Like Mike Greenwell

[Frayed Knot]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: So who knows what MLB has on Braun.

Well, my guess (having read nothing beyond the headlines so far) is that MLB feels it has enough of a solid paper trail that the previously combative Braun chose not to fight it.

And not only is he not fighting it but he agreed to a penalty above and beyond the 1st-timers 50-game standard which suggests to me that he probably confessed that his denials two off-seasons ago were bunk and that he only escaped suspension due to loopholes. MLB probably offered not to pursue a 100-game (2nd timer's) penalty and cause a legal fight if Braun agreed to the 70-plus games that he's getting.

The other thing it does is bring the idea that maybe the latest ARod injury isn't an injury at all. Why reinstate in tonight (as was the plan) only to be forced to shelve him in a couple of days as word of the Biogenesis case started to leak and the implication that MLB feels their case is strong enough to proceed even without positive tests?