RA Deserves His Own Thread

[Edgy MD]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: It was obvious to me that Wright flubbed the play because he was aware Upton had wheels and rushed as a result but I want to call it an error because he failed to pick it cleanly, whether or not he had a shot with a strong throw we'll never know.

Man, if anybody should have a scouting report on a member of the Norfolk Mafia, Wright should.

[Edgy MD]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Shades of Ray Knight.

[batmagadanleadoff]

[batmagadanleadoff]

Dickey on pace for a 7.2 season WAR, 8th best in franchise history.

Rank	Pitcher/Team	WAR	YEAR
1	Dwight Gooden	11.7	1985
2	Tom Seaver	9.5	1973
3	Tom Seaver	9.2	1971
4	Jon Matlack	8.6	1974
5	Tom Seaver	7.7	1975
6	Tom Seaver	7.6	1969
7	Tom Seaver	7.5	1968
8	Jerry Koosman	6.8	1968
9	Jon Matlack	6.7	1972
10	Jerry Koosman	6.7	1969

[RealityChuck]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: that goes into the 'combined' no-hitter category now. I love that one as a caricature of Babe Ruth. makes me laugh every time. Obviously. But my issue was that the reliever, as opposed to the team, was once credited with a no-hitter. well, he got all 27 outs right? *looks up the reliever* Ernie Shore. Actually, that was the first combined no-hitter. But he didn't pitch a complete game.

Neither did the six pitchers who pitched a no-hitter last week. The game is now officially credited as a combined no-hitter.

Actually, it was always credited as a no-hitter because that's what it was -- a game with no hits. Until Steve Barber and Stu Miller did the same thing (and lost the game), it was sui generis, and there was no consistent way to credit Shore. By the 60s, lists of no-hitters had supplementary lists for multi-pitcher no hitters, no hitters of less than nine innings, and games which were no-hit for nine innings, but with a hit in extra innings. The last was a much more fair way to designate them; why should Harvey Haddix be denied a no-hitter just because of the hobgoblins of small minds?

[batmagadanleadoff]

RealityChuck wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: that goes into the 'combined' no-hitter category now. I love that one as a caricature of Babe Ruth. makes me laugh every time. Obviously. But my issue was that the reliever, as opposed to the team, was once credited with a no-hitter. well, he got all 27 outs right? *looks up the reliever* Ernie Shore. Actually, that was the first combined no-hitter. But he didn't pitch a complete game. Neither did the six pitchers who pitched a no-hitter last week. The game is now officially credited as a combined no-hitter. Actually, it was always credited as a no-hitter because that's what it was -- a game with no hits. Until Steve Barber and Stu Miller did the same thing (and lost the game), it was sui generis, and there was no consistent way to credit Shore. By the 60s, lists of no-hitters had supplementary lists for multi-pitcher no hitters, no hitters of less than nine innings, and games which were no-hit for nine innings, but with a hit in extra innings. The last was a much more fair way to designate them; why should Harvey Haddix be denied a no-hitter just because of the hobgoblins of small minds?

But my issue was that the reliever, as opposed to the team, was once credited with a no-hitter.

[RealityChuck]

But my issue was that the reliever, as opposed to the team, was once credited with a no-hitter.

[Gwreck]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: But he didn't pitch a complete game.

Neither did any of those people in Seattle last week. That's why it's a combined no-hitter.

[Edgy MD]

Joe Torre, to rule on the appeal. He also has the option of referring the ruling to a five-member committee.

[Ceetar]

Last hit I see being overruled to an error was an Endy Chavez hit to second on Saturday.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Gwreck wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: But he didn't pitch a complete game. Neither did any of those people in Seattle last week. That's why it's a combined no-hitter.

Jesus H F Nixon Christ Already. I know what a combined no-hitter is. I thought that Shore, and Shore alone, was credited with the same kind of no-hitter that Santana pitched, or that Ryan and Koufax threw all those times, because Shore was on the mound for all 27 outs.

[Chad ochoseis]

Who is "crediting" all these no-hitters? I've never seen no-hitter listed as an official pitchers' stat, like walks, strikeouts, or wins.

Regardless, I really hope that when the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported on Dickey's game, they called it a 1-hitter*.

[Zvon]

Well, I'm glad it's an issue.

I'd like to see a replay from behind Wright to see how Upton was getting down the line. From what I did see he was running like it mattered to him.
Wright says that the ball hit a lip on the carpet and didn't bounce true, and at that moment he went for it with his bare hand and could not snag it. And that's just how it looked to me. I thought he had time to glove it and bullet it to 1st for the out, but he says he didn't think there was a chance w/o the barehand attempt, and I have to believe him.

Also later in the game there was a play at 3rd that was ruled an error on the Rays, a squibbler near the line that the 3rd baseman tried to bare hand and blew it. This second one was more of a hit than the one to Wright, yet it was ruled an error. Not saying that one should effect the other, but it shows a sense of consistency there.

I was watchin this and hangin out here, Mets win big and R.A. is awsum, had two hotdogs and a beer about mid way through, so in my scorebook this was a perfect game

[TransMonk]

Wright said himself post-game that he wouldn't have gotten the runner had he used his glove.

That makes me believe it should be a hit. Sorry, RA.

[HahnSolo]

@RaysJoeMaddon RA Dickey is good and he is really hot right now. Did you notice he was tipping his pitches?

If true, wasn't helping your team much, was it Joe?

[TransMonk]

I have to imagine out of the 106 pitches he threw last night, at least 90 of them were knuckleballs. RA doesn't need to tip his pitches for the batter to know what's coming. He's just throwing that one pitch really, really well.

Either he was joking or that was ridiculously stupid tweet by Maddon.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: I have to imagine out of the 106 pitches he threw last night, at least 90 of them were knuckleballs. RA doesn't need to tip his pitches for the batter to know what's coming. He's just throwing that one pitch really, really well. Either he was joking or that was ridiculously stupid tweet by Maddon.

he was joking.

[TransMonk]

Thanks...it's sometimes difficult for me to understand the sarcasm of tweets.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: Thanks...it's sometimes difficult for me to understand the sarcasm of tweets.

I think Josh said he said it in the post-game press conference as well.

[batmagadanleadoff]

How impressive was R.A. Dickey's 1-hitter?
By ESPN Stats & Information | ESPN.com

On June 1, Johan Santana pitched the first no-hitter in Mets franchise history. But was R.A. Dickey�s performance against the Tampa Bay Rays even more impressive? It took 50 years before Santana threw the Mets� first no-hitter. But side-by-side, Dickey�s performance may be closer to flawlessness. Keep in mind that Santana�s no-hitter included a foul ball that replays showed may have been a hit and Dickey�s outing included a hit that could have been scored an error. Then, consider that Santana struck out eight batters and walked five, while Dickey struck out 12 and didn�t walk a single batter. Only two pitchers in Mets history have struck out more than 12 batters in a 1-hitter. Those pitchers are both in the Hall of Fame: Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan. Most Strikeouts In 1-Hitter Mets History Strikeouts 1970 Nolan Ryan 15 1970 Tom Seaver 15 2012 R.A Dickey 12 In the win, Dickey ended a streak of 32 ? scoreless innings. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, that�s the longest streak in Mets history, surpassing Jerry Koosman�s 31 ? consecutive scoreless innings in 1973. Most Consecutive Scoreless IP Mets All-Time 2012 R.A. Dickey 32 ? 1973 Jerry Koosman 31 ? 1985 Dwight Gooden 31 1971 Tom Seaver 31 2003-04 Al Leiter 29 ? Dickey has now had four straight starts with no earned runs and at least eight strikeouts. According to Elias, no pitcher has had more than four straight such starts in MLB history. The other three pitchers to do so were Pedro Martinez (2002), Ray Culp (1968) and Gaylord Perry (1967). So how did Dickey dominate the Rays? � Of his 106 pitches, 100 were knuckleballs. That�s Dickey�s highest knuckleball percentage (94.3) in his Mets career. � Of his 100 knuckleballs, 55 of them were above the belt, gaining 16 outs (six strikeouts), the most in his Mets career. � The Rays missed 22 of the 63 knuckleballs they swung at (34.9 percent). The 22 missed knuckleballs are also the most in Dickey�s Mets career. � Eleven of the 12 strikeouts were swinging. With the victory, Dickey is now one of two 10-game winners in baseball this season. That�s rather impressive considering that Dickey has never had more than 11 wins in a season, he was 8-13 last season, he�s 37 years old, and he was in the Minors just two seasons ago. At 10-1 with a 2.20 ERA and 90 strikeouts, Dickey has cemented himself into the early Cy Young Award conversation. If Dickey were to win it, he�d be the oldest first-time Cy Young Award winner as a starter since Early Wynn, who was 39 years old when he won it in 1959. When Wynn won it, it was just the fourth year of the Cy Young Award, so it�s possible Wynn could have won one earlier in his career if the award had existed. A Cy Young Award for a Met? It hasn�t happened since 1985, when Doc Gooden went 24-4 with a 1.53 ERA and 268 strikeouts.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/45130/how-impressive-was-r-a-dickeys-1-hitter

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R.A. Dickey's last five starts:

W-L 5-0 (2 CG Shutouts)
ERA 0.23
IP 39.2
IP/Start 7.9
H 20
BB 3
K 50
ER 1
WHIP 0.58
K/9 11.34
H/9 4.54
BB/9 0.68
K/BB 16.67

[Lefty Specialist]

Those are cartoonish numbers. 4.54 hits per 9 innings? One earned run in his last 5 starts? Yowza.

[batmagadanleadoff]

.A. Dickey's last five starts: W-L 5-0 (2 CG Shutouts) ERA 0.23 IP 39.2 IP/Start 7.9 H 20 BB 3 K 50 ER 1 WHIP 0.58 K/9 11.34 H/9 4.54 BB/9 0.68 K/BB 16.67

OE --->BAA .149

[Lefty Specialist]

It's like turning everyone on the opposition into Mike Nickeas.

Actually, worse than Mike Nickeas, as he's hitting a robust .155.

[Edgy MD]

Hey, that's fun!

• Dickey turns everyone into... Alex Presley.
  
• Santana turns eveyone into... Bret Pill.
  
• Niese turns everyone into... Rod Barajas.
  
• Gee turns eveyone into... Matt Diaz.
  
• Hefner turns everyone into... there's really no remotely comparable batter to a compare to the typical result of a pitcher who gives up a .290 batting average, but only a .304 OPB. More data needed.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Cy Young Award? Between R.A's incredible pitching, mountain climbing exploits and the release of his book, Dickey's on pace for one of these:

[Lefty Specialist]

Be thankful he didn't break a leg climbing Kilimanjaro.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Appeal denied. It remains a one-hitter.

[TransMonk]

Yea!!!

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Appeal denied. It remains a one-hitter.

Not even slightly surprising.
Unless Torre et al found that the scorer made some kind of ruling that went against whatever guidelines scorers are supposed to use there was no way this was happening. That call of H-or-E was never anything more than a subjective matter of opinion.

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Appeal denied. It remains a one-hitter. Not even slightly surprising. Unless Torre et al found that the scorer made some kind of ruling that went against whatever guidelines scorers are supposed to use there was no way this was happening. That call of H-or-E was never anything more than a subjective matter of opinion.

Agreed. What was surprising to me was that article I read that said the Mets were assholes for putting in the protest. Wha?
Of course they should go through the motions? Why not?
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