Trade David Wright NOW!!!

[Edgy MD]

I don't think psychological manipulation works when you use it on yourself.

[seawolf17]

Vic Sage wrote: with their money gone, The Wilpons may sell or trade the entire roster.

Nah. Too many syllables in the last line.

With their money gone
The Wilpons may sell or trade
All our favorite guys

[Benjamin Grimm]

Maybe Vic pronounces "entire" with a southern accent. "En-tarr"

[nymr83]

I really hate to say it, but I don't think the Mets can contend before 2014. I'd deal Wright if there was a blue chip prospect coming back. Otherwise, I'd suck it up and lose with him.

[Vic Sage]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Maybe Vic pronounces "entire" with a southern accent. "En-tarr"

exactly. I'm from south Brooklyn. that's the way we say it.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Vic Sage wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Maybe Vic pronounces "entire" with a southern accent. "En-tarr" exactly. I'm from south Brooklyn. that's the way we say it.

"Whole damn" serves here just as well.

[metirish]

Mets have no plans to trade Wright
Published: December 5, 2011 10:19 PM
By DAVID LENNON david.lennon@newsday.com

DALLAS -- Despite Sandy Alderson's bleak financial outlook for 2012 and a payroll that is expected to be no higher than $100 million, the Mets have no intention of following Jose Reyes' departure with a trade of their other franchise player, David Wright. Not yet, anyway. As the Mets and a stricken fan base continued to cope with the fallout from Reyes' defection to the Marlins late Sunday night, Alderson explained why he has no plans to dump two of his biggest gate attractions during the same offseason, regardless of the savings. With the Mets struggling to sell tickets, trading the popular Wright would be tough for the franchise to absorb. "Yeah, it comes into play," Alderson said Monday. "I've acknowledged that before. At the same time, as another take on it, we just reconfigured our fences. That's a longer-term proposition, but it certainly would have a short-term impact on somebody like David. "It would be a little bit inconsistent for us to make those changes and then turn around and trade one of the two or three people that might benefit the most from those changes." The decision to make Citi Field more hitter-friendly for 2012 was embraced by Wright, who admitted that the original cavernous dimensions had crept into his head. For a team that always has leaned on him heavily, pulling in the fences seems to have returned the favor. Plus, Alderson said Wright also has value outside the foul lines. "David has been not just an excellent player for the Mets but also a very loyal spokesperson for the franchise," Alderson said, "and I think all of those things are taken into account." The Mets set up a conference call Monday night for Wright to speak about Reyes' departure, but the team abruptly canceled it without explanation shortly after Wright appeared on a radio show to discuss the same topic at length. Wright, like Reyes, is a homegrown star. But he's entering the final season of his six-year, $55-million contract, and with a $16-million club option for 2013, he could be nearing the end of his run in Flushing. "The goal for me is to play out those two years and see what happens after that," Wright told 1050 ESPN. "But I don't think there's any question that you see what Jose has done and Jose leaving and there are going to be questions surrounding what my future is going to be. "I understand that we're very similar as far as age and what we've endured here in New York. I'm not sure what my future holds. But again, that's out of my control." Wright now is one of six players who account for roughly $64 million of the 2012 payroll, and Alderson said Monday he has roughly $20 million to $25 million left to improve the team for 2012. The GM also said the plan is for Angel Pagan and Mike Pelfrey to return, which subtracts another $10 million in arbitration, leaving Alderson with only $15 million -- tops -- to spend this winter. That's not much with the Mets needing a closer, additional bullpen help, a backup catcher and a fifth outfielder. The Twins reportedly took Matt Capps off the market Monday with a one-year deal for $4.75 million, so he's no longer a closer candidate. The only thing for certain is that Alderson will need to get creative in order to stretch the Mets' limited resources. "We need to get back to the point where we're closer to break-even," said Alderson, who mentioned Sunday night that the Mets lost $70 million this year. "This, by the way, would be true of any owner. This isn't about one individual. You can't sustain losses of the kind we have over the last couple of years and expect anybody to endure those."

[Benjamin Grimm]

They really have to rethink that Pagan/Pelfrey money.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

It's going to be a very long season in 2012.

[Edgy MD]

It's going to be amazin'.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

I'm going to pretend that the recent flurry of moves is Sandy Alderson beginning to put the pieces together for the Moneyball-style team that will take the National League by storm in 2012.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Wright's gonna have a great year.

[Vic Sage]

Now? NOW your on the dW bandwagon?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I'm a total Wright fangirl, always been, but especially now that he's the last remaining player from my my true-believer days.

Those collapsed in a dusty heap when the wrecking ball hit Shea.

[Gwreck]

Wow. He really is the last one left.

I know Lunchbucket has posited his theory about the last game at Shea being the major turning point and I wasn't always sure I agreed, but his point gets stronger with each passing day here.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Wright's a goner. If Wright hasn't already played his last full season as a Met, then 2012 will be his last. The only thing that's keeping him here, IMO, is the organization's look wait-and-see if the Mets are in contention come middle of next season. Otherwise, this is a total teardown. The Mets are broke. And if they lost $70M last year, then why shouldn't they lose another $70M or so in 2012? I agree that given the structure of Wright's contract, he should be traded after the 2012 season, if at all ... but if the wright offer comes along ...

[Edgy MD]

Prediction archives.

[Gwreck]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: And if they lost $70M last year, then why shouldn't they lose another $70M or so in 2012?

Not paying Castillo, Perez and Gary Matthews Jr. will save about $20M?

Your point holds though -- they can expect attendance/revenues to keep going down.

[Edgy MD]

Or maybe stabilize. Or, maybe, go up, if things go well.

Things could go well. Reyes wasn't everything.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Gwreck wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: And if they lost $70M last year, then why shouldn't they lose another $70M or so in 2012? Not paying Castillo, Perez and Gary Matthews Jr. will save about $20M? Your point holds though -- they can expect attendance/revenues to keep going down.

You're right. I wrote fast, and forgot to factor the reduction in payroll. But there's every reason to believe that non-payroll losses should continue ... and even increase unless the Mets contend deep into the season. Isn't that why the Mets are cutting payroll drastically? To offset the other losses?

[Guest attgig]

I'd love to see a trade for a great team controlled catching prospect and a good SP prospect. both major league ready or one year away from it.
but yeah, if Wright were to leave, the mets would be hard pressed to get fans in the seat, and I just don't think they'll do it.

with the Angels and pujols, maybe we can trade wright for kendry or trumbo with a prospect, and then send ike for more prospects.

who knows. too much in flux.

[Guest attgig]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: And if they lost $70M last year, then why shouldn't they lose another $70M or so in 2012? Not paying Castillo, Perez and Gary Matthews Jr. will save about $20M? Your point holds though -- they can expect attendance/revenues to keep going down. You're right. I wrote fast, and forgot to factor the reduction in payroll. But there's every reason to believe that non-payroll losses should continue ... and even increase unless the Mets contend deep into the season. Isn't that why the Mets are cutting payroll drastically? To offset the other losses?

we're paying bonilla now. stupid bonilla.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy DC wrote: Or maybe stabilize. Or, maybe, go up, if things go well. Things could go well. Reyes wasn't everything.

Well, yes. And Jeffy could discover a multi-cancer cure derived from something he finds up his nose during flu season. All things are possible, to a degree.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Chapter 11 can rescue us. I was hoping it would arrive this year, but may not till debt payments come due.

[Edgy MD]

OK, let me be more specific. This team could play well. And if they do, I think fans would respond, Reyes or no Rreyes. Fans are like that.

Throwing money at big-time players is the one thing most fans seem to both demand and ridicule --- to both celebrate and mock their team for. In the end, whether the Mets have a payroll of $100 million or $150 million, that decision has to be made on a cost-benefit analysis. And it sure seems debateable to me.

And if it's debatebable whether matching or exceeding the Marlins' offer to Reyes wold have been a good move, then it's debateable whether not signing him will trigger a further deterioration in the team's competitiveness and profitabliity.

Losing Reyes is disappointing. But I'm so far past it at this point that I'm looking to lap it. Every day brings us closer to stabilizing the franchise from the triple-storm effects of the Madoff scandal, the economy, and the over-investments in over-valued asseets that took place before those whammies.

Or it brings us closer to the day a jury hands down a decision making the continued ownership of the Wilpons unviable. One or the other. Still I press onward.

[Gwreck]

Edgy DC wrote: Losing Reyes is disappointing. But I'm so far past it at this point that I'm looking to lap it. Every day brings us closer to stabilizing the franchise from the triple-storm effects of the Madoff scandal, the economy, and the over-investments in over-valued asseets that took place before those whammies.

How many days (and losing seasons) does it take until we get there?
Without Reyes (or any other premium talent acquisitions), I'll set the over-under at 3.5 losing seasons.

I have no need to move past the disappointment of losing Reyes at this point because there's been no incentive to do so at this point. I have plenty of faith in Alderson's ability to rebuild our player development/analysis system but that's all I've got right now if I don't want to buy premium-price tickets for a 4th or 5th place team.

[Edgy MD]

You have no need to move past the disappointment, or no reason?

Without Reyes (or any other premium talent acquisitions)...

Well, Reyes wouldn't have been an acquisition but a retention, but yeah.

The thing about holding your cards is you don't know which ones are going to come up aces, or when. But it's exciting. All over baseball, while (seemingly) known producers will earn unthinkable sums of money (to varying levels of actually earning --- some won't earn a lick of it), guys you never heard of earning minimum wage are going to establish themselves as productive players, or even stars, this year. More next. I have no doubt that some will be Mets.

And that's the real fun. Any rich, corporate welfare hording, criminally implicated blunderbuss can hurl money at players other teams have found and developed. What's the fun in that?

Rooting for the clever guy? The courageous guy? The guy zagging when all around him folks cry for him to zig? The guy whose own boss unjustly wants him to outperform his predecessors with fewer resources? The one whose former employees are disparaging him in the media for not showing them L($)O($)V($)E? The one who, rather than getting crippled by self doubt, reminds himself of his faith in his approach, dismisses the insult as a reflection on the callow speaker, and presses on?

That's the movie I want to see. Go Mets. They're going to knock your socks off.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Part of me doubts it will happen that way, but I want to live in Edgy's world. I'll stay there until games played start to show otherwise at least.