Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: There's still quite a bit of baseball left before even the mid-July "geeze, we're out of it aren't we?" questions, and that .9% number is an absolute joke.

The bigger joke is the one where the Mets clinch 1st place on September 25.

[TransMonk]

Well, any small hope I had about this being a winning season was zapped when Chris Young's season came to an end.

I'm all for selling off what we can if the prospects coming back are right. It's both good and bad that outside of Ike, Jose and Carlos are the two most consistent offensive players on the team in 2011. I don't see them trading Wright, or that there will be any takers for Pelfrey, but I fully expect Beltran and Frankie to be shopped hard. I'm also preparing myself now for the likelihood that Jose will be wearing different colors in August.

[metirish]

TransMonk wrote: seawolf17 wrote: They have an agreement not to offer him arbitration, I believe, which is where the picks come from. Yup.

That's fucking dumb, is that a verbal agreement from Omar or an actual contract stipulation? , because if it's a verbal then Alderson can say screw that, of course Beltran could accept then, not going to reach that point though.

Edited May 10, 2011 by Guest

[TransMonk]

I'm fairly certain that it's part of the contract.

[Frayed Knot]

It's a contract clause that seems to be becoming increasingly popular so the draft picks part of the process may start to fade away on its own even without a re-negotiation of the CBA.

Potential FAs know that the prospect of the signing team losing draft picks effectively makes them a more expensive and therefore less desirable product on the market. So if a FA has enough clout in the negotiating process [see Beltran, Carlos w/Boros, Scott] that's one of the things he wants put in. Several of the Japanese stars (both Matsuis for instance) went that route because they were already nearing 30 when they came here and didn't want to end their first contract three years later and still be three years short of becoming a FA. So in their case the no-arbitration clause effectively made them FAs if they didn't like the offer they got from their existing team.



P.S. Davidoff neglects to mention Beltran's No-Trade clause. Not that that means he can't be dealt, only that it won't be a unilateral decision.


P.P.S. The status of FAs are determined by their stats over the previous two seasons - and with just 220 ABs in 2010 and pretty pedestrian numbers from it there's little guarantee that Carlos would be a 'Type A' even if he did finish out his stint here. Only the top 20% rank as Type A's and that's from the group of all outfielders, not just CFs.
Type A's are the one who garner a 1st (or 2nd) round pick from the signing team plus an extra pick in the supplemental round. Type B's (out of top 20% but still within top 30%) yield only a supplemental pick for the team losing him.

[Gwreck]

I find Davidoff's logic strange re: Rodriguez. If a team intends to use Rodriguez as a set-up man, I would think his value (in terms of prospects to receive in return) would be larger, as there is no onerous contract to kick in.

If Rodriguez is traded to a team looking for a closer, then the financial obligation to the acquiring team is presumably larger (due to the games finished clause) and therefore they would be willing to give up less to the Mets in return.

[Ceetar]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: There's still quite a bit of baseball left before even the mid-July "geeze, we're out of it aren't we?" questions, and that .9% number is an absolute joke. The bigger joke is the one where the Mets clinch 1st place on September 25.

There's a better chance of that then if you played this season out from here 100 times that the Mets would fail 99 of them.

[batmagadanleadoff]

There's still quite a bit of baseball left before even the mid-July "geeze, we're out of it aren't we?" questions, and that .9% number is an absolute joke. The bigger joke is the one where the Mets clinch 1st place on September 25. There's a better chance of that then if you played this season out from here 100 times that the Mets would fail 99 of them.

I hope so. But I don't believe it. Because when you gotta believe, it helps to have the best pitching staff in all of baseball.



This reminds me of the one about a priest and a rabbi attending a boxing match together. Just before the start of the first round, the rabbi notices one of the boxers crossing himself, and then turns to the priest and asks: "Father, what does it mean when that boxer crosses himself right before the boxing match"?

"It doesn't mean a goddamn thing if he doesn't know how to fight", answers the priest.

[batmagadanleadoff]

G-Fafif wrote: In my bluest and orange bones, I believe that no matter what the Mets do where Reyes is concerned, it will absolutely backfire.... I just can't see any of it working out. I want to believe there's an answer. All I come away with are conclusions.

I see your point. The rate of return on baseball draft picks, even on the very high first-rounders, is dismal. And most minor leaguers that project to be future major league stars, in the end, don't project. The idea that we can simply exchange Reyes for another star who'll shine a few years from now is unlikely, though not improbable. There aren't very many Reyes, Wrights and Beltrans to go around, and any team that thinks they have one, even in embryo, or especially in embryo, isn't about to give him away. Not knowingly.

[seawolf17]

I would like to again state for the record that I will be despondent if Reyes or Wright is a productive major leaguer wearing a uniform other than a Mets one.

[G-Fafif]

seawolf17 wrote: I would like to again state for the record that I will be despondent if Reyes or Wright is a productive major leaguer wearing a uniform other than a Mets one.

What is Reyes...Getting Worried?

[seawolf17]

G-Fafif wrote: seawolf17 wrote: I would like to again state for the record that I will be despondent if Reyes or Wright is a productive major leaguer wearing a uniform other than a Mets one. What is Reyes...Getting Worried?

Argh.

[Ceetar]

seawolf17 wrote: I would like to again state for the record that I will be despondent if Reyes or Wright is a productive major leaguer wearing a uniform other than a Mets one.

You're not the only one. I'd say 99%, if not more, Mets fans know Reyes is great and don't know a single prospect that hasn't been talked about by Gary. There are millions and millions of bandwagon new york fans, and no better way to push them to the Bronx, $35 parking and all, than to trade Reyes.

[Frayed Knot]

...

[TransMonk]

When was the last time Mets fans had to watch one of their All-Stars go play at an All-Star level for another team?

I can't remember any since Darryl...and he was barely an All-Star after he left New York.

[Benjamin Grimm]

David Cone is more recent than Darryl, but not by a whole lot.

[TransMonk]

Ah yeah, forgot about Cone.

[Ceetar]

your league leader in extra base hits.

[Edgy MD]

Plate appearances too. Second in overall hits. First in doubles and triples, and second in steals.

[seawolf17]

Darryl's the parallel, but that was different because he left on his own terms and we were free to hate him at that point; plus he became a colossal screwup. I don't see that from Reyes; plus, if they trade him, it's literally spitting in the face of your fan base, from whom you've made millions of dollars selling REYES 7 memorabilia.

You trade Reyes, you eff an ENORMOUS chunk of your fan base; I don't care who you're bringing back. You will lose a lot of people.

Beltran is not the same; as much as we all love Carlos, he's always been a hired gun; he's not OUR GUY the way Reyes and Wright are (and Ike could be). People will be upset if he's dealt, but we'll move on. Same for Santana, honestly, if he comes back healthy and they decide to move him. Nobody likes Frankie, so he can go.

[soupcan]

Unfortunately Wolfie, I disagree.

As disappointed as we will all be, we'll continue to root for them. They won't lose any fans. This organization survived the Seaver trade, they'll survive the Reyes trade should it happen.

Life will go on, Reyes will ultimately come back and haunt us as he rains triples around Citi as a visitor. It will suck hard but we will still root for the laundry.

Alas.

[Guest sharpie]

Robin Ventura was a bogus All-Star after his Metly days when Torre would pad his roster with his own guys.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

The best shot as saving Reyes is a new co-owner pulling a hero act. I could see it.

Also, if its a hedge fund guy like Steve Cohen, their basic strategy is to realize and exploit the good things while throwing out the old and expensive. IOW, Reyes might get paid if they can unload Rodriguez, Bay & Beltran.

[seawolf17]

Oh, of course we will, eventually. But I'm also saying it's not a coincidence that the most significant attendance drops in Mets history have come after the Seaver trade and Straw signing with LA.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The best shot as saving Reyes is a new co-owner pulling a hero act. I could see it. Also, if its a hedge fund guy like Steve Cohen ....

Reports are that Steve Cohen lost interest in owning a piece of the Mets, and is pulling out:

Hedge-fund titan Steve Cohen may not have the inside track to buy a minority stake in the Mets after all. He has quickly lost interest in buying a minority stake in the team, a source close to the situation told The Post. Last week, Cohen, working with investment bank Goldman Sachs, was nearing a deal to buy a minority stake in the money-losing team for $200 million -- and met with the team's owners at a Greenwich steakhouse as the teamed weighed making him the preferred bidder. Now, Sterling Equities, which owns the team, has gone back to bidders who had made offers it rejected and asked them to resubmit offers. As a result of Cohen's change of heart, Sterling owners Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz are not going to name a preferred bidder this week in time for the MLB owners' meeting, as expected, sources said.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/steve_cohen_mets_bid_ruled_wild_XUvU79DIHY5HVwPrXfLGqO

[seawolf17]

Cohen: "Those dipwads are going to trade away all their marquee names. Eff 'em."

[TransMonk]

It's going to be a loooonnnnnnnnnng summer.

I expect this thread to be about 50 pages long by August 1st.

[HahnSolo]

So what stupid things did Jeff say at lunch to scare Cohen off?

[Benjamin Grimm]

He probably spoke to him in Street Spanish.

[seawolf17]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He probably spoke to him in Street Spanish.

This just made me spit taco out my nose.