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seawolf17 wrote:
Benjamin Grimm wrote:
He probably spoke to him in Street Spanish.

This just made me spit taco out my nose.


I just had water but also came through the nose


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Yeah, I see that going as well as the Get Manny rallies.

Not in terms of end of the day results, but in terms of "gee, look at those attention whores, lets get them on video so we can laugh at them!"

One of those Get Manny creeps even interrupted the Shea Goodbye attention seeker party for no real apparent reason that offseason.


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The Mets may have overplayed their hand by not negotiating during the offseason and spring, and then seeing Jos� go out and put together a first half for the ages. But now Jos�'s folks may have overplayed his as well, by rebuffing the Mets when they came calling and then getting tweaked. This season isn't cashed in yet, Peter Greenberg.

If he's out for a few days, maybe it's a good time for them to sit down. Wrap him up while he's feeling a little less invincible.


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Edgy DC wrote:


If he's out for a few days, maybe it's a good time for them to sit down. Wrap him up while he's feeling a little less invincible.


He could use a little distraction from the doctor's office right?


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Ashie62 wrote:
metirish wrote:
MRI on Monday.


He's gonna be be lame, I just know it.


Oh yeah - just like Dave Kingman, circa 1976. If a Met is having an historic offensive year, he's almost guaranteed to get hurt...


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Alderson considers making Reyes substantial offer: source

By JOEL SHERMAN
Last Updated: 6:39 AM, July 4, 2011
Posted: 1:28 AM, July 4, 2011


Sandy Alderson was pigeonholed early in his administration as a risk-averse executive who would strongly reject the idea of a mega-contract for any player, but specifically an injury-prone one such as Jose Reyes, who did not have the Mets� general manager�s favorite asset: elite on-base percentage.

Alderson warned not to stereotype him, and that decisions would be based on information absorbed during the season.

We should have listened.

Alderson is now leaning strongly toward authorizing a substantial offer after the season to try to retain Reyes, a free-agent-to-be, two sources with ties to Alderson told The Post.

Even Reyes� first 2011 injury did not seem to have dimmed Alderson�s belief that the Mets are best served working diligently to retain the All-Star shortstop.

�He may be out just one day,� Alderson said when asked if even a mild hamstring strain could influence contractual strategy with Reyes. �Before we jump to any long-term conclusions, let�s see about this injury. I will say this, most players miss a few days at some point of the season, and so in that context this is not unusual.�

Spoken like a Reyes convert.

Alderson has not only been swayed by the MVP-caliber play of Reyes, but also in calculating the additional worth that would come by elating the fan base if Reyes could be retained and how much it would cost to replace a switch-hitter in his prime if Reyes left.

In other words, if the Mets surmise that Reyes is worth, say, five years at $100 million, is it worth it to go to, say, six years at $120 million or more and see that additional money as: 1) $10 million of advertising directed at the fans and 2) $10 million in peace of mind that they do not have to try to find replacements to make up for what would be lost, especially since they already know Reyes can play in New York and loves playing here.

Alderson refused to discuss my information that he is now strongly committed to convincing the Wilpons that making a substantial bid for Reyes is vital. But he did tell The Post: �There is more going on here [when it comes to Reyes] than the game on the field.�

For now, the sources said, there is almost no way the Mets will trade Reyes before the July 31 deadline, in part because Alderson is committed to trying to retain the star.

Reyes has told the Mets he will not negotiate during the season. So it is still possible he could slump badly or suffer an injury far worse than his current Grade 1 hamstring strain, forcing Alderson to reconsider his position. Also, the elephant in the room remains the Wilpons� financial plight. Remember Fred Wilpon is on record saying that Reyes is not worth near the $142 million, seven-year deal received by Carl Crawford.

One source told me the Wilpons might be willing to approach the $20 million-a-year pricetag, but are scared of giving seven years to a player whose legs are his major asset. There is a split among officials from other teams if Reyes will actually garner a Crawford-like deal, though he is a year younger than Crawford, a switch-hitter and plays a more premium position. His sustained success and health are more in question, however.

Reyes will not start tonight in Los Angeles and the Mets did not dismiss sitting him out the rest of the first half. But they know every game missed by Reyes impacts their long-shot playoff hopes, even if they did rally to beat the Yankees 3-2 in 10 innings yesterday without him.

Reyes currently has a career-best .398 on-base percentage, but that is more about his major league-best .354 batting average than a greatly improved eye. His walk rate remained around his career average.

Nevertheless, Alderson values Reyes� multiple tools and bond with the fans. Yes, Reyes is having his best season in his walk year, normally a red flag. But the Mets know Reyes loves to play, and so do not think he would shut down if he received a big contract.

In addition, while Alderson sees mega-deals as inefficient and failure prone, he told me recently some big-market teams must go there because, for example, like the Mets, they own their own ballpark and network, and have to have stars their fans want to invest in emotionally and financially. Alderson regularly calls baseball an �entertainment� venture, and Reyes clearly is an entertainer.

Plus, should Reyes leave, the Mets would probably have to go with Ruben Tejada at short and find ways (probably expensive ways) to replace the lost offense of Reyes; with almost no way to replace the lost dynamism and connection to the fans. And the Mets know Reyes wants to be a Met, an advantage they are unlikely to have with other targets.

Alderson said: �He has strengths in so many areas, it would be wrong to try to assess his ability in conventional ways.�

Translation: Alderson has learned to admire what Reyes does to such a degree that neither a minor hamstring injury nor the lack of elite on-base skills is dimming his ardor to keep the shortstop.


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Well, duh.


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It's a long flight to Los Angeles. You just put him in a luxury first-class seat with a pile of money on one side of him and a contract on the other.


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Edgy DC wrote:
It's a long flight to Los Angeles. You just put him in a luxury first-class seat with a pile of money on one side of him and a contract on the other.


give him a double big gulp and tell him he can't get up until he signs.


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Alderson "considers" making an offer?
I'm considering making an offer to Angelina Jolie.
Yadda Yadda,
its the Post.

Later


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Ashie62 wrote:
And just what would you like to offer Angelina Jolie?

Anything she'd accept.
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No, I think that's actual news. They've got two corroborating sources, if anonymous, and Alderson pretty much affirmed it without affirming it, which is very meaningful in the newsgathering business, and it runs contrary at several levels to where the prevailing wisdom had been sitting.


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Sherman's been scoopy this season too. Had DW's broken back well ahead of the beaters. Got my attention.


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Folks (and by that I mean writers mostly, but fans also) have to stop treating Fred's comment about JR not getting CC money as if it were some sort of iron-clad pledge rather than merely a prediction designed to display his baseball savvy to a visiting writer.


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Frayed Knot wrote:
Folks (and by that I mean writers mostly, but fans also) have to stop treating Fred's comment about JR not getting CC money as if it were some sort of iron-clad pledge rather than merely a prediction designed to display his baseball savvy to a visiting writer.


I took Fred to be a pissed off Mets fan when he spoke.


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Edgy DC wrote:
Or at least acting like one, yeah.


not to mention that when he said it, 99% of Mets fans/writers didn't think he was going to get Crawford money either.


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The majority of press outlets keep quoting it as if it was said in late June.

The comments came in mid-to-late April.


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Shhhhhhhhhh!

Secret talks may be underway!

(I sure hope this is true.)



Mets to begin talking with Reyes camp soon, in hopes of reaching new deal in coming weeks

By MIKE PUMA

Last Updated: 8:58 AM, July 7, 2011
Posted: 3:09 AM, July 7, 2011


LOS ANGELES � Don�t be so sure the Mets are waiting until after the season to talk turkey with Jose Reyes.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the process told The Post yesterday that indications are the Mets have begun � or will soon begin � secret talks with the Reyes camp in hopes of reaching agreement in the coming weeks on a new contract with the All-Star shortstop.

Last month, general manager Sandy Alderson announced he had reached out to Reyes� agent, Peter Greenberg, to begin dialogue, but was rebuffed. Reyes also indicated he wanted to focus on baseball and not contract issues. But one of the sources called the proclamations by Reyes and Alderson a likely �smokescreen� designed to protect the player and organization from dealing with daily questions about the negotiations.

By keeping discussions secret, the Mets would also protect Reyes from fan backlash should he reject an offer that might be deemed fair by the public, but under market value by Reyes� camp.

Before the Mets 5-3 win over the Dodgers last night, Alderson offered a cryptic response when asked if it still holds true there is no possibility a Reyes deal will be negotiated during the season.

�I am no longer commenting on that possibility,� Alderson said as he ducked into manager Terry Collins� office for a meeting.

It makes sense on several levels for Alderson to try to engage Greenberg in talks during the season. If the Reyes camp is determined to get Carl Crawford money � in the seven-year, $142 million range � that might be deemed a non-starter in serious negotiations, and the Mets still would have time to solicit offers for the player before the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline.

Reyes remains hindered by a sore left hamstring and last night was absent from the starting lineup for a fourth straight game. The team has not placed him on the disabled list, hopeful that Reyes can return in San Francisco over the weekend.

As Reyes� hamstring injury has demonstrated, there is risk involved for the shortstop in waiting until after the season to negotiate a new deal. The Mets could offer Reyes five years in the $100 million range and convince him the deal makes sense. Or Alderson could perhaps add a sixth year as an act of good faith, bringing the deal into the $110-$115 million area.

One major league executive suggested the Mets should blame the Nationals if they cannot re-sign Reyes. It was at last year�s winter meetings that Washington shocked the baseball world by signing Jayson Werth for seven years and $126 million. That signing set the market, allowing the speedy Crawford � a player comparable to Reyes � to reap seven years and $142 million from the Red Sox.

As was reported by the Post�s Joel Sherman earlier in the week, re-signing Reyes is a top priority for the Mets, and Alderson is prepared to authorize a substantial offer for the player.

Getting Reyes� signature on a new contract remains paramount, but Alderson must also find a way to trade closer Francisco Rodriguez, whose contract contains a vesting option for $17.5 million for 2012 should he finish 55 games this season.


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