Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 THE SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEARPLAYER OF THE YEARThe Schaefer Mets Player of the Year for 2010 is DAVID WRIGHT. This is the fifth time David has won in the six years that the Crane Pool Forum has been maintaining the Schaefer tradition. Wright led the 2010 Mets in games (157), at bats (587), runs (87), doubles (36), home runs (29), runs batted in (103), caught stealing (11), slugging (.503), on base percentage (.354), total bases (295), sac flies (12), intentional walks (7), and his 161 strikeouts broke a record set by Dave Kingman back in 1982.PITCHER OF THE YEARThe Schaefer Mets Pitcher of the Year, for the third year in a row, is JOHAN SANTANA. Johan led the Mets in only two categories: complete games (4) and shutouts (2). Santana, whose season ended on September 2, finished at 11-9 with a 2.98 ERA. He finished less than 9 points ahead of R.A. Dickey, who led the Mets in ERA (2.84) and Mike Pelfrey, the Mets 15-game winner. Dickey, of course, didn't debut with the Mets until May 19, and Pelfrey was virtually shut out of Schaefer points in July, when he went 0-3 with a 10.02 ERA over 5 starts.RELIEF PITCHER OF THE YEARThe Mets reliever of the year is HISANORI TAKAHASHI. Takahashi totaled 52.48 points overall, but 23.67 of those points came as a starter. His 28.81 points from the bullpen were enough to outscore Pedro Feliciano (26.37) and Francisco Rodriguez, the team save leader, who scored 26.15. Takahashi saved 8 games for the Mets. In 41 games in relief, he was 6-2 in 57.1 innings,with an ERA of 2.04.FUN FACTSThe highest point total earned by any one player in 2010 was the 5.99 and it was done twice: by Jon Niese on June 10 and by Johan Santana on July 6.The lowest "winning score" was the 0.70 that Jason Bay was awarded on May 1, in a 10-0 loss to Philadelphia.The most Schaefer Player of the Game awards went to Johan Santana, with 21. Strangely, players such as Ruben Tejada and Oliver Perez were Player of the Game more often than Jose Reyes. NUMBER OF SCHAEFER POTG WINS IN 2010Johan Santana 21R. A. Dickey 19Mike Pelfrey 18Jon Niese 17David Wright 15Angel Pagan 12Hisanori Takahashi 8Carlos Beltran 5Jeff Francoeur 5Jason Bay 5Dillon Gee 5Raul Valdes 4John Maine 3Pat Misch 3Rod Barajas 3Ruben Tejada 3Oliver Perez 2Alex Cora 2Josh Thole 2Henry Blanco 2Ike Davis 2José Reyes 1Mike Jacobs 1Luis Castillo 1Ryota Igarashi 1Jesus Feliciano 1Luis Hernandez 1Lucas Duda 1Results for the little-known and little-publicized Player of the Week awards.David Wright won 6 times, and Jose Reyes was next with 4 wins. (He seems to do much better on a weekly basis than by day or by month.)2010-04-10 Jeff Francoeur 6.472010-04-17 Mike Pelfrey 5.782010-04-24 José Reyes 5.862010-05-01 David Wright 5.922010-05-08 Rod Barajas 6.942010-05-15 Angel Pagan 5.492010-05-22 Mike Pelfrey 7.122010-05-29 Johan Santana 9.772010-06-05 David Wright 7.352010-06-12 Jon Niese 5.992010-06-19 José Reyes 9.202010-06-26 José Reyes 6.602010-07-03 David Wright 8.972010-07-10 Angel Pagan 8.102010-07-17 Jon Niese 4.882010-07-24 Johan Santana 8.512010-07-31 R. A. Dickey 9.152010-08-07 Johan Santana 6.412010-08-14 R. A. Dickey 5.962010-08-21 José Reyes 8.372010-08-28 David Wright 7.242010-09-04 David Wright 5.912010-09-11 Ike Davis 10.122010-09-18 Angel Pagan 6.802010-09-25 Lucas Duda 4.862010-10-02 David Wright 7.522010-10-09 Mike Pelfrey 3.83Season-to-date totals for 2010Through game of October 3, 2010RankNamePoints1David Wright117.562Angel Pagan92.153Johan Santana90.424Ike Davis86.555José Reyes83.256R. A. Dickey81.777Mike Pelfrey81.418Jon Niese66.789Jeff Francoeur57.9910Jason Bay53.6311Hisanori Takahashi52.4812Rod Barajas34.7213Carlos Beltran32.9814Josh Thole30.5115Pedro Feliciano26.3716Luis Castillo26.1917Francisco Rodriguez26.1518Raul Valdes22.9019Chris Carter22.3520Ruben Tejada22.0621Elmer Dessens20.1522Manny Acosta19.2123Dillon Gee16.9424Alex Cora16.4225Bobby Parnell15.0926Fernando Nieve14.8027Lucas Duda14.7028Pat Misch14.4229Henry Blanco12.6030Ryota Igarashi12.2531Jenrry Mejia10.9132John Maine9.9533Oliver Perez9.7934Jesus Feliciano8.1435Mike Hessman6.5136Luis Hernandez6.4137Nick Evans5.6738Gary Matthews4.4939Fernando Tatis3.8240Sean Green2.7341Frank Catalanotto2.1241Joaquin Arias2.1243Mike Jacobs2.0544Fernando Martinez1.8445Tobi Stoner1.0946Justin Turner0.4747Mike Nickeas0.30And that's it! If I'm so motivated (and I probably will be), Schaefer voting will resume in April of 2011! See you then!
TransMonk Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Great job Grimm!I don't participate in this much, but I do enjoy the results.
ashie62 Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Absoultely great work! Vote early and often.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Special congratulations to Takahashi. He earned it. Congratulations to all releivers for surviving Jerry and getting no respect for it.
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 It feels like there should be some sort of postseason support group for the 'penners-- with Pedro as group leader-- doesn't it?
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 "OK, guys, before we begin, let us bow our heads and pray for Nieve, wherever he is."
Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket Guests Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Yeah, thrilled that Takahashi pulled out that reliever award.In the Non-Schaeffer World, I 'd say we got 2 of 3 correct. (I kinda like Dickey over Johan slightly)
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 I kinda like Pagan over Wright. But we don't score the daily defensive contributions as aggressively, I gather.
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 And that's partly due to after-the-fact/straight-from-the-box-score voting, I'd imagine.
seawolf17 Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:And that's partly due to after-the-fact/straight-from-the-box-score voting, I'd imagine.That's the biggest reason why I don't vote as much as I do. If I haven't seen some chunk of the game -- even just a few innings -- I usually don't vote because I'm afraid I'm leaving off a big double play or sac bunt (HA!) or something.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Even in such cases, I try to catch the video on mets.com, and award excellence accordingly.But the day-to-day stuff --- where (to mine eyes) Pagan is a very-good-to-excellent centerfielder and Wright merely a fair third baseman --- hasn't been well represented in my voting, I'm afraid.
Willets Point Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Edgy DC wrote:But the day-to-day stuff --- where (to mine eyes) Pagan is a very-good-to-excellent centerfielder and Wright merely a fair third baseman --- hasn't been well represented in my voting, I'm afraid.Pagan never called you "my man" and wished you a happy wedding day.
metsmarathon Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 i think the most difficult thing for schaeffer-voting to capture is rangeyness for defenders, particularly the lack of range. rangey outfielders may get rewarded for getting to na unlikely ball, but a ball that a rangey of could get to, but an unrangey of cannot is rarely counted against him. ditto for infielders, though that may be more readily determined. like any ball which subsequently shall land within 3' of a dugout railing. we can surely say from now on that ike woulda got it, so those should be accounted for by those non-ikes who do not get it.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Author Posted October 7, 2010 It is a shame, though, that Angel didn't win any monthly awards this year and thereby didn't get his card in the array-o-winners up above.I'll give him an honorable shout-out here:It also looks like the 1977 Topps series got skipped over, too.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:Yeah, thrilled that Takahashi pulled out that reliever award.He quickly rises to the best Takahashi the Mets ever had.In the Non-Schaeffer World, I 'd say we got 2 of 3 correct. (I kinda like Dickey over Johan slightly)Fortunately we'll also have a venue to discuss points like that this winter.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Willets Point wrote:Edgy DC wrote:But the day-to-day stuff --- where (to mine eyes) Pagan is a very-good-to-excellent centerfielder and Wright merely a fair third baseman --- hasn't been well represented in my voting, I'm afraid.Pagan never called you "my man" and wished you a happy wedding day.A more-than-excellent point.
metsmarathon Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 i'd like to stand up and preemptively come out in favor of the notion that schaeffer voting does not necessarily fall in line with conventional value assessments of players. the schaeffer player of the year need not be the most WARest, or WPAest, or wOBAest, or win sharest (are win shares relevent still, or have we moved past them?) player. i like that it offers a relativistic look at the sum total of player of the game contributions. it is a unique look at player performance. who cares if it doesn't account for a guy single handedly blowing a 9 run lead in the 9th. it doesn't need to. it measures, instead, how often and how much a player contributes to winning individual games. i like it for that. david wright contributed more and more often to winning games than did any other metly player. i can live with that. do we not adequately capture defensive and relieving contributions? eh, maybe. but that's a different argument.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Another excellent point. And as a means to the end of these tastey-assed cards? What a contest!
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Author Posted October 7, 2010 metsmarathon wrote:i'd like to stand up and preemptively come out in favor of the notion that schaeffer voting does not necessarily fall in line with conventional value assessments of players. the schaeffer player of the year need not be the most WARest, or WPAest, or wOBAest, or win sharest (are win shares relevent still, or have we moved past them?) player. i like that it offers a relativistic look at the sum total of player of the game contributions. it is a unique look at player performance. who cares if it doesn't account for a guy single handedly blowing a 9 run lead in the 9th. it doesn't need to. it measures, instead, how often and how much a player contributes to winning individual games. i like it for that. david wright contributed more and more often to winning games than did any other metly player. i can live with that. do we not adequately capture defensive and relieving contributions? eh, maybe. but that's a different argument.Yes, Schaefer is definitely a throwback measurement, based on a promotional gimmick from the 1970's.
batmagadanleadoff Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Pagan's total WAR for 2010 is 4.7. David Wright's offensive WAR is 4.7 -- but Wright's defensive WAR is -0.8, bringing his total WAR to 3.9.
batmagadanleadoff Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 bmfc1 wrote:Beautiful presentation, BG.I agree. I would like to suggest a Topps Rookie trophy on Ike's card; the older version with the batter instead of the cup trophy.
metirish Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 seawolf17 wrote:That's the biggest reason why I don't vote as much as I do. .QUE
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 The PotG MVP is clearly Mr. Grimm. Thanks for doing this, from the spreadsheets to the cards. 6.0 to you.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Author Posted October 7, 2010 The PotG MVP is clearly Mr. Grimm. Thanks for doing this, from the spreadsheets to the cards. 6.0 to you.Thanks! And thanks to all the voters, regular and irregular! No matter the state of your bowels, all voters are appreciated!I agree. I would like to suggest a Topps Rookie trophy on Ike's card; the older version with the batter instead of the cup trophy.That's a good idea, but I'm afraid the 1976 card would have to have the cup:If it was a 1972 card, however...
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 batmagadanleadoff wrote:bmfc1 wrote:Beautiful presentation, BG.I agree. I would like to suggest a Topps Rookie trophy on Ike's card; the older version with the batter instead of the cup trophy.Wonder how often Omir Santos stares at his cup.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Could a man have more eyebrow and still play ball? I don't think so.
seawolf17 Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Edgy DC wrote:Could a man have more eyebrow and still play ball? I don't think so.The answer is, of course, none... none more eyebrow.
seawolf17 Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Benjamin Grimm wrote:No matter the state of your bowels, all voters are appreciated!Was that a shot at the fact that I just dropped a 102-point LAXATIVE bomb on you?edit: No, wait, that was Willets.
batmagadanleadoff Old-Timey Member Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 The PotG MVP is clearly Mr. Grimm. Thanks for doing this, from the spreadsheets to the cards. 6.0 to you.Thanks! And thanks to all the voters, regular and irregular! No matter the state of your bowels, all voters are appreciated!I agree. I would like to suggest a Topps Rookie trophy on Ike's card; the older version with the batter instead of the cup trophy.That's a good idea, but I'm afraid the 1976 card would have to have the cup:If it was a 1972 card, however...I was aware of that when I recommended the Topps trophy. But I was hoping you wouldn't be so historically accurate when considering my suggestion.
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