Angel Pagan and Jenrry Mejia for Cliff Lee???

[ashie62]

Thole and Mejia for Lee & Megan Fox.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I read yesterday that Megan Fox has ugly thumbs.

Despite that, I still think she's okay.

[seawolf17]

Ashie62 wrote: Thole and Mejia for Lee & Megan Fox.

I'd even throw in Maine AND Ollie to make that deal happen.

[bmfc1]

Joel Sherman tells us to forget it and to starting hating Lee:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/yankees_on_brink_of_landing_cliff_b7oJw63k0cUXVdd02uuU1I

[seawolf17]

bmfc1 wrote: Joel Sherman tells us to forget it and to starting hating Lee: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/yankees_on_brink_of_landing_cliff_b7oJw63k0cUXVdd02uuU1I

Ordinarily, I'm in favor of a free-market system in MLB. But the commissioner MUST step in and not allow this. The best third baseman, the best shortstop, the best second baseman, the best first baseman, the best catcher, the best feisty backup catcher, the best closer, the best fat middle reliever, the best young starter, the best left-handed starter (old guy division), the best left-handed starter (fat guy division), and now the best left-handed starter (young guy division)? Bud needs to put a stop to this.

[smg58]

I'd have thought that Montero's stock would have dropped this season. (He has a lower OPS than Fernando Martinez.) Adams has decent value, but he's hardly earth-shattering. With every buyer in the league talking to the Mariners, I would think that they can do better, or at least demand more from the Yankees.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

smg58 wrote: I'd have thought that Montero's stock would have dropped this season. (He has a lower OPS than Fernando Martinez.) Adams has decent value, but he's hardly earth-shattering. With every buyer in the league talking to the Mariners, I would think that they can do better, or at least demand more from the Yankees.

All the value's in Montero's bat, too, right? I recall a lot of talk about the defense... moreso than there ever has been about, say, Thole. (Of course, the cynic might say that might be due at least in part to nobody outside of Met fan circles really talking about Thole.)

[seawolf17]

I like how Yankee fans talked about Montero as the second coming of Yogi/Thurman/Posada/Wynegar all in one guy for months, but now as soon as he's being dealt, he's a replaceable spare part.

[metirish]

Heyan tweets

SI_JonHeyman cant blame #mets for not trading ike davis or niese for lee. mejia injury killed their chances. tejada/f-mart just not enuf

Sherman

Joelsherman1 Will put up link momentarily with new news on #Lee, including that #Yankees have not asked for negotiating window and why

I would have been really pissed to see Ike or Niese go in a trade for Lee.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Offer Pat Strange and see if they bite.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

F Cliff Lee and F the MFYs.

[Gwreck]

I would like to see Omar step in and make a last minute counteroffer.

[Frayed Knot]

smg58 wrote: I'd have thought that Montero's stock would have dropped this season. (He has a lower OPS than Fernando Martinez.) Adams has decent value, but he's hardly earth-shattering. With every buyer in the league talking to the Mariners, I would think that they can do better, or at least demand more from the Yankees.

And they might yet.
Reportedly the Mariners had just signaled a willingness to lower their demands for Lee and the Yanx - conveniently in town at the time - jumped in with an offer. Sherman of the Post may have jumped the gun a bit on how close to a done deal this is as it's certainly in the M's interest to see what other teams are willing to ante up based on their supposed new standards.

All the value's in Montero's bat, too, right? I recall a lot of talk about the defense... moreso than there ever has been about, say, Thole. (Of course, the cynic might say that might be due at least in part to nobody outside of Met fan circles really talking about Thole.)

Yeah, pretty much. Montero is a big hulking guy (and was even as a teen) and that bulk mixed with a complete lack of speed not only hurts him as a catcher (reports constantly talk about his defensive 'improvement' but folks wonder if it'll ever be enough) but also means he really has no other options except 1B where the Yanx already have a real one who's signed for the next 457 years. No one thinks he moves well enough for even a corner OF spot now and guys his size don't tend to get a lot quicker and trimmer as they age.
He's also off with the bat this year in AAA - particularly in the power dept. On the other hand he was considered an elite bat as he blew through A & AA last year and won't even turn 21 until this season is over.

Don't know nothin' about this 2B prospect.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

I think Fartinez and Flores is a package worth at least as much as Montero/Adams, but all the reports since this mess started have been that Seattle wants a catcher. Finicky assholes.

[ashie62]

So much for Cliff Lee..Maine and Ollie for Megan Fox may still be on the table.

[smg58]

Montero appears to be the prospect the Mariners most coveted. They don't appear to be fazed by his struggles in AAA and if they still value him as highly as he was valued coming into the season, we weren't going to top the offer.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Bah, Joel Sherman ain't the oracle of Dodona.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

smg58 wrote: Montero appears to be the prospect the Mariners most coveted. They don't appear to be fazed by his struggles in AAA and if they still value him as highly as he was valued coming into the season, we weren't going to top the offer.

And as Jeff Clement and Kenji Johjima could tell you, Seattle is fantastic at evaluating the talents of offensive-minded catchers.

[duan]

can i be honest - i'd be way more upset with him going to the phillies or the braves. fuck the yankees but we only play 'em 6 times a season and the chances of us having to beat cliff lee to win the world series involve us getting to the world series.

it does make you think that the whole playing thole up here might have been a last minute attempt to flutter our eyelashes at the mariners into making them think he's a genuine catching prospect.

[duan]

seawolf17 wrote: Joel Sherman tells us to forget it and to starting hating Lee: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/yankees_on_brink_of_landing_cliff_b7oJw63k0cUXVdd02uuU1I Ordinarily, I'm in favor of a free-market system in MLB..

MLB's as far from a free market system as you can get (except maybe for the NFL & the NBA)

[TransMonk]

Not any more, per Metsblog:

According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, the Mariners are backing off of the Yankees offer to send Cliff Lee to the Yankees.

According to Sherman, the Mariners appear to be headed in a different direction, as they are concerned about the injury to Double-A prospect David Adams, who they would be acquiring in the deal, and so the Yankees no longer appear to be in the mix to acquire Lee.

�wow�what a turn of events�more to come�

[Frayed Knot]

Half the fun of all this is that Lee is sked to pitch against the Yanx tonight ... or FOR them, who knows.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

To repeat the #Yankees aren't getting Cliff Lee, #Mariners concerned about David Adams ankle plus apparently another team has jumped in hard 5 minutes ago via web

[Benjamin Grimm]

Hmmm... I wonder who?

Are we going to have to watch a one-hour special on ESPN to find out?

[metirish]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Hmmm... I wonder who? Are we going to have to watch a one-hour special on ESPN to find out?

It will be on SNY , hosted by Bobby O and Carlin , three hours of SNY's signature original programming first, Beer Money.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Sherman reverses himself. Shocker.

[TransMonk]

F'n shocker.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Whoomp, there it is.

Joel 'Sure Thing' Sherman wrote: i have learned deal done with #Rangers, Smoak and 3 others for Lee and reliever Mark Lowe #Rangers, #Mariners =#004000]11 minutes ago via web

[TransMonk]

Better the Rangers than the MFYs.

We still need a pitcher. We need an Oswalt/Lilly/other thread, stat!

[Frayed Knot]

I really wish they had waited until tomorrow so Lee could stick it to the Yanx tonight but whatyagonnado?

Smoak is the big prize there. He was considered THE big college 1B in the same draft as Ike when about 6 of them went in the first 20 picks -- Smoak went 11th, Ike 18th.
He was called up just after Ike but isn't off to as good a start.

So figure that any NYM trade for Lee would have likely started with the words: Ike plus ...
Do you do Ike + Thole for instance? I would have prior to the season but I don't think I do now. Ike is better than I hoped and Lee has pitched more than half the season with someone else.