Oliver Perez is an asshole

[Centerfield]

If ever there was a basis to boo a player:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/players_send_perez_packing_ln2sCjwQNAllBOLzFSTx2K

[Guest Swan Swan H]

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Perez is being totally selfish. He can not possibly be delussional as to think he is helping the team in even the most remote way. He is placing his himself and his desires above the well being of the team. I have no respect for such a selfish attitude and would never want someone like that on my team.

Perez is quickly becoming one of my alltime least favorite Mets. Though, even he has a ways to go to catch Vince Coleman for the crown of biggest jerk I wish wasn't on the Mets.

[DocTee]

There has to be an underperforming clown on another team for whom we can swap Ollie, even if we must eat the lion's share of his contract. This rids us of the cancer without fueling fears that he 'figures it out after another squad signs him for the minimum" which is a foolish line of thinking anyway.

It's like not wanting to dump your fat girlfriend, becasue "she might get in shape and be hot at some later point."

[Guest themetfairy]

DocTee wrote: It's like not wanting to dump your fat girlfriend, becasue "she might get in shape and be hot at some later point."

Thank goodness D-Dad is like that....

[Zvon]

Thought this was a poll and was eager to vote.

[metsmarathon]

i'd much rather the mets swallow the remainder of his contract than choke on it.

why the fuck is that such a hard concept for these multimillion dollar franchises to grasp?

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I wonder if this is all Ollie's decision, or is it Boras telling him to do this.

[Zvon]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I wonder if this is all Ollie's decision, or is it Boras telling him to do this.

Boras is to baseball what lawyers (in general) are to the world.

(present company excluded, of course.)

[Guest Edgy DC]

I just see players stabbing a teammate in the back under the cowardly veil of anonymity.

What else is there to learn? We know he's failed.

[seawolf17]

Edgy DC wrote: I just see players stabbing a teammate in the back under the cowardly veil of anonymity.

Me too. Actually sounds like a pretty douchey thing to do. I'm not saying I can tell whether or not he's an asshole, and I don't know if I want him on the mound right now, but I'd much rather this team had a veteran leader or coach or manager who can take him aside and give him the what-for rather than bitching about him to the media.

[batmagadanleadoff]

And Ollie Perez isn't stabbing his teammates in the back? The team has been trying to reason with Perez for almost three weeks now. Maybe now it's time for drastic measures. This is a desperate situation, especially because the Mets are in contention. If the season were to end one week from today, the Mets would still have a mathematical chance at either first place or the wild card spot. You'd think that this franchise, at this place and time, having been eliminated on the last day of the season twice in the last three years understands that nothing should be squandered and that the games in May count just as much as the games in September.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Edgy DC wrote: I just see players stabbing a teammate in the back under the cowardly veil of anonymity. What else is there to learn? We know he's failed.

We have learned that teammates are as sick of this saga as many fans are. The issue is not his failure; that is a given. The issue is what he is willing to do about it, and what the Mets are ultimately going to do about it.

This is not just backstabbing. This is causing other bullpenners to pitch additional innings, for the roster to be managed with a player short, and for a team that is within a couple of games of first place this could cost 24 guys a playoff spot because one guy is a selfish prick. I don't like the anonymity either, but this had to be said. If it gets Perez off the 25-man roster five minutes earlier, I say the end justifies the means.

Anyway, do we know that no teammate has confronted Ollie about this? Manuel said that management has spoken to him on several occasions. I would think that he wouldn't give a fuck who spoke to him about this, not as long as Boras has his hand up Ollie's ass and is making his lips move. What needs to happen, a blanket party? Carter frags him in the shower?

[Valadius]

Can we not trade Perez for Dontrelle Willis? I'm sure there are better sports psychologists in New York than anywhere else.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

Valadius wrote: Can we not trade Perez for Dontrelle Willis? I'm sure there are better sports psychologists in New York than anywhere else.

I think the point of Detroit DFA'ing Willis was that they didn't want a roster spot to be used up on an essentially worthless player. The Tigers certainly aren't bashful about taking the cash hit to cut out a detrimental player. They did it last spring with Sheffield, too.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Olerud Owned wrote: I think the point of Detroit DFA'ing Willis was that they didn't want a roster spot to be used up on an essentially worthless player. The Tigers certainly aren't bashful about taking the cash hit to cut out a detrimental player. They did it last spring with Sheffield, too.

Yeah but Detroit is a huge market team with extensive financial resources so they can afford to cut their loses and absorb the monetary hit. The Mets, playing in New York, simply don't have the same financial wherewithal as the Tigers. What? Um...never mind.

[Ceetar]

I know I'm in the minority on this, and I've hashed it out elsewhere, but I don't believe 8 starts and sporadic relief appearances are enough to declare Ollie worthless and needing release. Especially after more than a year lay off since pitching healthily.

I also think there have been better opportunities to at least sorta get Perez in there than Manuel has done. I think the Mets had a better chance on Saturday with Perez starting and Nieve relieving than vice-versa.

I find it hard to believe major league players made those comments about a teammate, exactly like that.

Again, my issue is with the long term plan the Mets seem to not have. If they're simply telling Perez "Get lost. go to the minors." I wouldn't have gone either. Now, if they're telling him "Go to the minors. Work on building your arm strength. We love our pitching coach down there, he'll help you. We'll see you in three weeks, work on your first pitch strikes." Or something along those lines. Really, I just hope they're framing it as a rehabilitation type thing as opposed to a demotion/release. Because fixing Perez back towards '07-'08 numbers is much more helpful than releasing him or promoting a scrub, and even if they found someone to sign/trade for, chances are Perez could put up better numbers long term than we can hope for out of Dickey, small sample-size aside. (And don't tell me he's unfixable. If you're a pitching coach, and you don't know what to do, you have no place on a major league team. If your boss, in any field, told you to do something and you said "I can't get that done." would he accept that?)

[Guest Edgy DC]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: And Ollie Perez isn't stabbing his teammates in the back?

Edgy DC wrote: What else is there to learn? We know he's failed.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Swan Swan H wrote: We have learned that teammates are as sick of this saga as many fans are.

As for fans, you're not speaking for me. As for teammates, anonymous critics don't strike me as the ones I want to pin my hopes to either.

The issue is not his failure; that is a given. The issue is what he is willing to do about it, and what the Mets are ultimately going to do about it.

The issue of this thread is the content of the story.

but this had to be said.

Why? Nobody knew the facts of the situation until now?

If it gets Perez off the 25-man roster five minutes earlier, I say the end justifies the means.

Means and ends are convertible terms. This didn't serve any end but to weaken the team.
And yeah, I believe the worthless tag is frustratingly over-simplistic and counterproductive. They're in a bad situation with their commitment to him and may well soon move to release him. Until then, the idea that smehow hating more is going to be our deliverance is disappointing.

[Zvon]

Ceetar wrote: "Go to the minors. Work on building your arm strength. We love our pitching coach down there, he'll help you. We'll see you in three weeks, work on your first pitch strikes." Or something along those lines.

If it went any other way I would be more than surprised Ceet.
Might even be mortified.

Inquiring minds need to know.
Just the facts, mam.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy DC wrote: And Ollie Perez isn't stabbing his teammates in the back? Edgy DC wrote: What else is there to learn? We know he's failed.

This isn't about learning. And the issue doesn't end once we know he's failed. Right now, he's not fit to pitch. Therefore he shouldn't be on the roster. Sometimes I think that you go so far out of your way to defend anything Mets, that you'd contrive to defend James Earl Ray if he did his deed as a member of the Mets organization. This doesn't mean that you're wrong and I'm right or that I'm wrong you're right, but that passionate Mets experience their fandom in ways and emotions as unique to each other as snowflakes and fingerprints.

Edgy DC wrote: ...the idea that somehow hating more is going to be our deliverance is disappointing.

But the hate is also a red herring and moreover, doesn't exist in a vacuum. Right now, Perez has as much right to a Mets 25 man-roster spot as Al Jackson.

[Guest Edgy DC]

This isn't about learning.

I reposted my comment to make clear that I am aware of the failures of Perez and that it would be preferable if he were in the minors. Perez certainly is responsible for the latter.

And the issue doesn't end once we know he's failed. Right now, he's not fit to pitch. Therefore he shouldn't be on the roster.

And none of that is for players to anonymously bitch to the media about. You want Ollie to shut up and do his job, so might that apply to everybody.

No, I don't defend everything Mets.

No, the issue isn't a red herring.

And many members of the King family concluded that Ray was innocent. Nothing is so cut and dried, with villians in black hats and everybody against them good guys in white. This is a bad story and doesn't help the team. The Mets had a problem with Ollie yesterday. Now they have three problems.

[batmagadanleadoff]

So James Earl Ray gets defended after all, and Ollie is Jerry's fault.

[Ceetar]

As I understand it, you can't "guarantee" that you'll get a call up again right? So the Mets can say "we'll call Perez back up in 3 starts" and then just not. I wonder if they could guarantee it, contractually, if Boras would okay it knowing Perez won't likely get a ton of innings up in the majors in those weeks.

I also wonder if the Mets are too scared of Boras to 'fake' a DL stint, which would basically force them to have to call him back up after a set time. They faked an injury with Maine (They did eventually find something, but when the DLd him it was just based on guesses and thoughts.). This really seems like the best and easiest option, lets Perez save face, gets him some reps in, and allows the Mets a couple more starts out of him to evaluate arm angle and mechanics and what not without hurting the team.)

And Perez is still more valuable on this team than Gary Matthews Jr.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Interesting fan-Rorschach thing here.

[ashie62]

Just DFA the guy already. It isn't that hard for geezus sakes

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

It seems to me, that at this point, it would be to Perez's advantage to accept an assignment to Buffalo. At least there, he gets the opportunity to pitch and try to earn his way back to the team. Perez however, seems to prefer whiling away his time in the bullpen where he will get few opportunities to try to earn his spot in the rotation back. If he has confidence in his abilities, he should welcome any opportunity to prove his value through his performance. I wonder if Ollie has some doubt that he could succeed in Buffalo and thereby earn a return to the Mets. He gets paid his ML salary either way, so why would he not welcome the opportunity to pitch rather than sit in the bullpen, where he is apparently viewed as a selfish pariah by some of his teammates?

[bmfc1]

KBurkhardtSNY

Oliver Perez just said again that he isn't going to the minors to work on his game.

"Scott, this is Omar. Your client will not be on our major league roster after tonight's game. We've already called Buffalo and Pat Misch will be in a Mets uniform tomorrow night. Your client will not. It's your choice: either he is sent to Binghamton, where he can work his way back to the majors and possibly be a part of a special season, or he will be cut. It's your choice Scott and you have until the end of tonight's game to make that choice."

[G-Fafif]

Rockin' Doc wrote: Perez is quickly becoming one of my alltime least favorite Mets. Though, even he has a ways to go to catch Vince Coleman for the crown of biggest jerk I wish wasn't on the Mets.

Ollie's saving grace is that if he tossed firecrackers at fans in the parking lot, he wouldn't come close to blowing them up.

[seawolf17]

bmfc1 wrote: KBurkhardtSNY Oliver Perez just said again that he isn't going to the minors to work on his game. "Scott, this is Omar. Your client will not be on our major league roster after tonight's game. We've already called Buffalo and Pat Misch will be in a Mets uniform tomorrow night. Your client will not. It's your choice: either he is sent to Binghamton, where he can work his way back to the majors and possibly be a part of a special season, or he will be cut. It's your choice Scott and you have until the end of tonight's game to make that choice."

"Hey, Omar. Scott here. Hey, go eff yourself. Cut him; we don't care. He gets the same money either way, and if you cut him loose, then he's free to sign a deal with another team that might make him even more money down the road. So go right ahead, pal."