Manny Ramirez Suspended...

[soupcan]

For 50 games for testing positive for banned substance.

According to WFAN.

[TransMonk]

Good.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Whoa!

I wonder if those guys who were demonstrating in front of the SNY studios have egg on their faces.

Probably not. They'll argue that even only 112 games of Manny at $25 million per year is just what the team needs.

[Elster88]

[url:20yiyc0h]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907[/url:20yiyc0h]

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

w-O-w

[metirish]

It's just Manny being Manny .......

[soupcan]

I wonder if the Dodgers have to pay him.

Stupid question I guess, I don't think Boras would allow any clause like that in a contract but in this day and age why wouldn't a club insist on a clause like that in a contract?

The players union has come out against performance enhancers (in public anyway). They could hardly object to clauses like that and still convince anybody they're anti-'roid.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I hope his salary goes to charity.

[RealityChuck]

IIRC, a suspension with cause means no pay. I doubt even Boras could change that.

[soupcan]

Good for the Dodgers then

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

="soupcan":15ydkten]Good for the Dodgers then[/quote:15ydkten] And maybe for A-Rod too. But awful for baseball.

metsguyinmichigan May 07 2009 10:13 AM

But did he have bacne? Because, as you know, that's proof in some parts.

metirish May 07 2009 10:15 AM

From Dodgers Blues message board ] jgaugust wrote: According to Gammons, it wasn't a steroid or even a performance enhancing drug. Supposedly Manny got something down in Miami that the doctor told him was completely fine, but evidently it had something in it that was not MLB legal. Just fuck. ] Fucking Asshole. I WANT ADAM DUNN. I fully expect DB to break it's record number of visitors today and subsequently crash.

Swan Swan H May 07 2009 10:22 AM

Until there is word of exactly what he was taking, my story is that he was herbally treating his glaucoma.

Edgy DC May 07 2009 10:29 AM

Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?

Frayed Knot May 07 2009 10:38 AM

="RealityChuck":37q5s7en]IIRC, a suspension with cause means no pay. I doubt even Boras could change that.[/quote:37q5s7en] Right, I'm reasonably sure that it would be one of those things written into the standard player's agreement -- IOW, a blanket agreement between the owners and union that is automatically transferred to each contract. seawolf17 May 07 2009 10:39 AM Holy moly. metirish May 07 2009 10:46 AM SNY ran one of their in-game pools the other night asking which NL Division leader had the best chance of winning their division. 1 - Phillies 2 Cardinals 3 - Dodgers much laughing was had in the booth , Dodgers at the time were five games up , now 6.5 games up. That division just got more interesting. TransMonk May 07 2009 10:52 AM ="metirish":5pdfa33e]SNY ran one of their in-game pools the other night asking which NL Division leader had the best chance of winning their division. 1 - Phillies 2 Cardinals 3 - Dodgers much laughing was had in the booth , Dodgers at the time were five games up , now 6.5 games up. That division just got more interesting.[/quote:5pdfa33e] I still think it's the Dodgers. Manny would be back before the All-Star break (just in time to face the Mets at Citi) and I don't see any of those other teams stepping up in the West. Certainly not a sure thing, though. metirish May 07 2009 10:57 AM They ran a poll and not a pool of course. smg58 May 07 2009 11:06 AM Either Manny's lying, or he and his doctor are the dumbest people on the planet. Centerfield May 07 2009 11:07 AM Yup. The Dodgers too. How do you spend that amount of money and not monitor all mediations he is taking? After JC Romero, no club has any excuse. Centerfield May 07 2009 11:14 AM On re-read, looks like Edgy already said what I said. I just want to make it clear to Mr. McCourt (and Mr. Wilpon and every other owner) that I am willing to follow around Manny (or some other superstar) and make sure everything he takes isn't on the list. Call within the next twenty minutes (because you know I can't do this all day) and I'll do it for a just a few million a year. OlerudOwned May 07 2009 11:15 AM Hahahaha. This tickles my somewhat irrational dislike of the Dodgers. Fman99 May 07 2009 11:22 AM ="Edgy DC":1hvft43p]Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?[/quote:1hvft43p] This is my first thought. I think if Manny is within a block of a pharmacy (or a guy selling something on a square of tin foil) then he should be tackled by his employer and rassled into submission. Edgy DC May 07 2009 11:25 AM If everybody's this dumbidddy dumb, and we're so Maxwell smart, maybe we should start a consulting firm. Centerfield May 07 2009 11:26 AM Plans for the Manny Ramirez Rotunda at Citifield: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 07 2009 11:58 AM Now he'll have more time for marinatin'! holychicken May 07 2009 12:12 PM ="metirish":3h9mu37f]It's just Manny being Manny .......[/quote:3h9mu37f] No no. . . It's just Manny being Barry. Nymr83 May 07 2009 12:47 PM WOman-ram? ] two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO. OlerudOwned May 07 2009 12:48 PM Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs for reasons to related to steroid cycles. Farmer Ted May 07 2009 12:53 PM Manny has Bitch Tits. Swan Swan H May 07 2009 01:09 PM OlerudOwned wrote: ]Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs He wanted to test the feasibility of 'Manny breeding Manny.' He wanted to look good in a strapless gown. His dreads were getting split ends. He was considering signing with the Nationals, and heard they were a bunch of 'softball girls.' holychicken May 07 2009 01:24 PM ="Edgy DC":6autrplu]Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?[/quote:6autrplu] I doubt they can legally do so. The whole doctor-patient privacy law stops the teams from being able to force the players to do so, I would imagine. Valadius May 07 2009 01:47 PM Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious. metirish May 07 2009 01:53 PM T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn? Nymr83 May 07 2009 02:08 PM ="metirish":1kzkqzd1]T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn?[/quote:1kzkqzd1] i think espn will give a job to any ex-player in any sport at any time. metirish May 07 2009 02:13 PM But these two probably were at the forefront of investigating PED abuse in MLB over the last number of years. Quinn used to be Mets beat writer for the Snooze. Fainaru-Wada co-wrote " Game Of Shadows" . soupcan May 07 2009 02:18 PM ="Valadius":3ex0r9pw]Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious.[/quote:3ex0r9pw] Valadius - where the hell have you been? We're still waiting for your song parody entry! Frayed Knot May 07 2009 02:23 PM Quinn jumped from the NYDN to ESPN at least a year or so ago. Seems to have been hired specifically to work on their drug reporting (for baseball of course, there are no drug problems in the NFL) Not sure if Fainaru-Wada is still with his SF paper and just doing extra work for ESPN or if he's switched to them full time too. metirish May 07 2009 02:25 PM Player reaction Manny caught[/url:huygi4c3] Kong76 May 07 2009 03:45 PM Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page. Ashie62 May 07 2009 04:55 PM Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early. themetfairy May 07 2009 05:11 PM ="Kong76":eme8bbh8]Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page.[/quote:eme8bbh8] You'd take that over a Keg-a-Cue? MFS62 May 07 2009 09:33 PM Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later metsguyinmichigan May 07 2009 09:59 PM ="MFS62":3s3rbjyk]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:3s3rbjyk] Only if you take Tony LaRussa right behind him. SteveJRogers May 07 2009 10:03 PM ="MFS62":2jbrur59]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:2jbrur59] Yeah, they all were clean BEFORE joining Torre managed teams. I get you want to get him for "looking the other way" but when you think about it, do you really expect anything different from a hands off guy like Torre? Edgy DC May 07 2009 10:16 PM ="MFS62":26yfbcxw]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre[/quote:26yfbcxw] Well, yeah, he was naming Yankees of recent vintage and Torre was the manager for 13 years. They all have a lot in common. Yankee Stadium, Steinbrenner, Billy Crystal, Madonna. The point is the double standard Kay displayed. smg58 May 08 2009 05:00 AM ="Ashie62":3157mime]Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early.[/quote:3157mime] Because Brady Anderson's career was otherwise so forgettable that he's been, well, forgotten. If he was a HOF candidate, people would be talking about him for sure. At this point, everybody's a suspect. I see no point in singling anyone out before clear evidence comes up against them. Edgy DC May 08 2009 05:30 AM Anderson used to come up all the time. But now (1) he's retired, (2) he's eclipsed by people from whom we actually have failed tests from. And (3) what's the point? cooby May 09 2009 08:00 AM I like Manny, I'm sorry about this. I'm keeping him on my fantasy team, too. Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:01 PM ]"When you take steroids you have a direct outcome of the game, that's the integrity of the game. And when you can change records when you do something illegal, it's just not right. ... Baseball records are sacred. If you do something illegal to surpass those records, it's just not good." --Pete Rose, Guardian of Integrity in Baseball metirish May 14 2009 12:04 PM Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb.... Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:05 PM ="metirish":3sqflmah]Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb....[/quote:3sqflmah] Yeah. I wonder what other cheaters he thinks belong in the hall... Benjamin Grimm May 14 2009 12:08 PM I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading. metirish May 14 2009 12:11 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":37sj3ba0]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:37sj3ba0] Exactly why I didn't read it. Nothing he says really interests me. Fman99 May 14 2009 12:57 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":2eyfx6w2]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:2eyfx6w2] Pete Rose is a retard. That's why other retards always have Pete Rose's haircut.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

But did he have bacne? Because, as you know, that's proof in some parts.

[metirish]

From Dodgers Blues message board

] jgaugust wrote: According to Gammons, it wasn't a steroid or even a performance enhancing drug. Supposedly Manny got something down in Miami that the doctor told him was completely fine, but evidently it had something in it that was not MLB legal. Just fuck.

] Fucking Asshole. I WANT ADAM DUNN. I fully expect DB to break it's record number of visitors today and subsequently crash.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Until there is word of exactly what he was taking, my story is that he was herbally treating his glaucoma.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense.

Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?

[Frayed Knot]

="RealityChuck":37q5s7en]IIRC, a suspension with cause means no pay. I doubt even Boras could change that.[/quote:37q5s7en] Right, I'm reasonably sure that it would be one of those things written into the standard player's agreement -- IOW, a blanket agreement between the owners and union that is automatically transferred to each contract.

seawolf17 May 07 2009 10:39 AM

Holy moly.

metirish May 07 2009 10:46 AM

SNY ran one of their in-game pools the other night asking which NL Division leader had the best chance of winning their division. 1 - Phillies 2 Cardinals 3 - Dodgers much laughing was had in the booth , Dodgers at the time were five games up , now 6.5 games up. That division just got more interesting.

TransMonk May 07 2009 10:52 AM

="metirish":5pdfa33e]SNY ran one of their in-game pools the other night asking which NL Division leader had the best chance of winning their division. 1 - Phillies 2 Cardinals 3 - Dodgers much laughing was had in the booth , Dodgers at the time were five games up , now 6.5 games up. That division just got more interesting.[/quote:5pdfa33e] I still think it's the Dodgers. Manny would be back before the All-Star break (just in time to face the Mets at Citi) and I don't see any of those other teams stepping up in the West. Certainly not a sure thing, though. metirish May 07 2009 10:57 AM They ran a poll and not a pool of course. smg58 May 07 2009 11:06 AM Either Manny's lying, or he and his doctor are the dumbest people on the planet. Centerfield May 07 2009 11:07 AM Yup. The Dodgers too. How do you spend that amount of money and not monitor all mediations he is taking? After JC Romero, no club has any excuse. Centerfield May 07 2009 11:14 AM On re-read, looks like Edgy already said what I said. I just want to make it clear to Mr. McCourt (and Mr. Wilpon and every other owner) that I am willing to follow around Manny (or some other superstar) and make sure everything he takes isn't on the list. Call within the next twenty minutes (because you know I can't do this all day) and I'll do it for a just a few million a year. OlerudOwned May 07 2009 11:15 AM Hahahaha. This tickles my somewhat irrational dislike of the Dodgers. Fman99 May 07 2009 11:22 AM ="Edgy DC":1hvft43p]Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?[/quote:1hvft43p] This is my first thought. I think if Manny is within a block of a pharmacy (or a guy selling something on a square of tin foil) then he should be tackled by his employer and rassled into submission. Edgy DC May 07 2009 11:25 AM If everybody's this dumbidddy dumb, and we're so Maxwell smart, maybe we should start a consulting firm. Centerfield May 07 2009 11:26 AM Plans for the Manny Ramirez Rotunda at Citifield: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 07 2009 11:58 AM Now he'll have more time for marinatin'! holychicken May 07 2009 12:12 PM ="metirish":3h9mu37f]It's just Manny being Manny .......[/quote:3h9mu37f] No no. . . It's just Manny being Barry. Nymr83 May 07 2009 12:47 PM WOman-ram? ] two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO. OlerudOwned May 07 2009 12:48 PM Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs for reasons to related to steroid cycles. Farmer Ted May 07 2009 12:53 PM Manny has Bitch Tits. Swan Swan H May 07 2009 01:09 PM OlerudOwned wrote: ]Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs He wanted to test the feasibility of 'Manny breeding Manny.' He wanted to look good in a strapless gown. His dreads were getting split ends. He was considering signing with the Nationals, and heard they were a bunch of 'softball girls.' holychicken May 07 2009 01:24 PM ="Edgy DC":6autrplu]Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?[/quote:6autrplu] I doubt they can legally do so. The whole doctor-patient privacy law stops the teams from being able to force the players to do so, I would imagine. Valadius May 07 2009 01:47 PM Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious. metirish May 07 2009 01:53 PM T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn? Nymr83 May 07 2009 02:08 PM ="metirish":1kzkqzd1]T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn?[/quote:1kzkqzd1] i think espn will give a job to any ex-player in any sport at any time. metirish May 07 2009 02:13 PM But these two probably were at the forefront of investigating PED abuse in MLB over the last number of years. Quinn used to be Mets beat writer for the Snooze. Fainaru-Wada co-wrote " Game Of Shadows" . soupcan May 07 2009 02:18 PM ="Valadius":3ex0r9pw]Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious.[/quote:3ex0r9pw] Valadius - where the hell have you been? We're still waiting for your song parody entry! Frayed Knot May 07 2009 02:23 PM Quinn jumped from the NYDN to ESPN at least a year or so ago. Seems to have been hired specifically to work on their drug reporting (for baseball of course, there are no drug problems in the NFL) Not sure if Fainaru-Wada is still with his SF paper and just doing extra work for ESPN or if he's switched to them full time too. metirish May 07 2009 02:25 PM Player reaction Manny caught[/url:huygi4c3] Kong76 May 07 2009 03:45 PM Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page. Ashie62 May 07 2009 04:55 PM Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early. themetfairy May 07 2009 05:11 PM ="Kong76":eme8bbh8]Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page.[/quote:eme8bbh8] You'd take that over a Keg-a-Cue? MFS62 May 07 2009 09:33 PM Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later metsguyinmichigan May 07 2009 09:59 PM ="MFS62":3s3rbjyk]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:3s3rbjyk] Only if you take Tony LaRussa right behind him. SteveJRogers May 07 2009 10:03 PM ="MFS62":2jbrur59]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:2jbrur59] Yeah, they all were clean BEFORE joining Torre managed teams. I get you want to get him for "looking the other way" but when you think about it, do you really expect anything different from a hands off guy like Torre? Edgy DC May 07 2009 10:16 PM ="MFS62":26yfbcxw]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre[/quote:26yfbcxw] Well, yeah, he was naming Yankees of recent vintage and Torre was the manager for 13 years. They all have a lot in common. Yankee Stadium, Steinbrenner, Billy Crystal, Madonna. The point is the double standard Kay displayed. smg58 May 08 2009 05:00 AM ="Ashie62":3157mime]Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early.[/quote:3157mime] Because Brady Anderson's career was otherwise so forgettable that he's been, well, forgotten. If he was a HOF candidate, people would be talking about him for sure. At this point, everybody's a suspect. I see no point in singling anyone out before clear evidence comes up against them. Edgy DC May 08 2009 05:30 AM Anderson used to come up all the time. But now (1) he's retired, (2) he's eclipsed by people from whom we actually have failed tests from. And (3) what's the point? cooby May 09 2009 08:00 AM I like Manny, I'm sorry about this. I'm keeping him on my fantasy team, too. Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:01 PM ]"When you take steroids you have a direct outcome of the game, that's the integrity of the game. And when you can change records when you do something illegal, it's just not right. ... Baseball records are sacred. If you do something illegal to surpass those records, it's just not good." --Pete Rose, Guardian of Integrity in Baseball metirish May 14 2009 12:04 PM Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb.... Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:05 PM ="metirish":3sqflmah]Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb....[/quote:3sqflmah] Yeah. I wonder what other cheaters he thinks belong in the hall... Benjamin Grimm May 14 2009 12:08 PM I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading. metirish May 14 2009 12:11 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":37sj3ba0]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:37sj3ba0] Exactly why I didn't read it. Nothing he says really interests me. Fman99 May 14 2009 12:57 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":2eyfx6w2]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:2eyfx6w2] Pete Rose is a retard. That's why other retards always have Pete Rose's haircut.

[seawolf17]

Holy moly.

[metirish]

SNY ran one of their in-game pools the other night asking which NL Division leader had the best chance of winning their division.

1 - Phillies

2 Cardinals

3 - Dodgers

much laughing was had in the booth , Dodgers at the time were five games up , now 6.5 games up. That division just got more interesting.

[TransMonk]

="metirish":5pdfa33e]SNY ran one of their in-game pools the other night asking which NL Division leader had the best chance of winning their division. 1 - Phillies 2 Cardinals 3 - Dodgers much laughing was had in the booth , Dodgers at the time were five games up , now 6.5 games up. That division just got more interesting.[/quote:5pdfa33e] I still think it's the Dodgers. Manny would be back before the All-Star break (just in time to face the Mets at Citi) and I don't see any of those other teams stepping up in the West. Certainly not a sure thing, though.

metirish May 07 2009 10:57 AM

They ran a poll and not a pool of course.

smg58 May 07 2009 11:06 AM

Either Manny's lying, or he and his doctor are the dumbest people on the planet.

Centerfield May 07 2009 11:07 AM

Yup. The Dodgers too. How do you spend that amount of money and not monitor all mediations he is taking? After JC Romero, no club has any excuse.

Centerfield May 07 2009 11:14 AM

On re-read, looks like Edgy already said what I said. I just want to make it clear to Mr. McCourt (and Mr. Wilpon and every other owner) that I am willing to follow around Manny (or some other superstar) and make sure everything he takes isn't on the list. Call within the next twenty minutes (because you know I can't do this all day) and I'll do it for a just a few million a year.

OlerudOwned May 07 2009 11:15 AM

Hahahaha. This tickles my somewhat irrational dislike of the Dodgers.

Fman99 May 07 2009 11:22 AM

="Edgy DC":1hvft43p]Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?[/quote:1hvft43p] This is my first thought. I think if Manny is within a block of a pharmacy (or a guy selling something on a square of tin foil) then he should be tackled by his employer and rassled into submission. Edgy DC May 07 2009 11:25 AM If everybody's this dumbidddy dumb, and we're so Maxwell smart, maybe we should start a consulting firm. Centerfield May 07 2009 11:26 AM Plans for the Manny Ramirez Rotunda at Citifield: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 07 2009 11:58 AM Now he'll have more time for marinatin'! holychicken May 07 2009 12:12 PM ="metirish":3h9mu37f]It's just Manny being Manny .......[/quote:3h9mu37f] No no. . . It's just Manny being Barry. Nymr83 May 07 2009 12:47 PM WOman-ram? ] two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO. OlerudOwned May 07 2009 12:48 PM Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs for reasons to related to steroid cycles. Farmer Ted May 07 2009 12:53 PM Manny has Bitch Tits. Swan Swan H May 07 2009 01:09 PM OlerudOwned wrote: ]Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs He wanted to test the feasibility of 'Manny breeding Manny.' He wanted to look good in a strapless gown. His dreads were getting split ends. He was considering signing with the Nationals, and heard they were a bunch of 'softball girls.' holychicken May 07 2009 01:24 PM ="Edgy DC":6autrplu]Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?[/quote:6autrplu] I doubt they can legally do so. The whole doctor-patient privacy law stops the teams from being able to force the players to do so, I would imagine. Valadius May 07 2009 01:47 PM Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious. metirish May 07 2009 01:53 PM T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn? Nymr83 May 07 2009 02:08 PM ="metirish":1kzkqzd1]T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn?[/quote:1kzkqzd1] i think espn will give a job to any ex-player in any sport at any time. metirish May 07 2009 02:13 PM But these two probably were at the forefront of investigating PED abuse in MLB over the last number of years. Quinn used to be Mets beat writer for the Snooze. Fainaru-Wada co-wrote " Game Of Shadows" . soupcan May 07 2009 02:18 PM ="Valadius":3ex0r9pw]Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious.[/quote:3ex0r9pw] Valadius - where the hell have you been? We're still waiting for your song parody entry! Frayed Knot May 07 2009 02:23 PM Quinn jumped from the NYDN to ESPN at least a year or so ago. Seems to have been hired specifically to work on their drug reporting (for baseball of course, there are no drug problems in the NFL) Not sure if Fainaru-Wada is still with his SF paper and just doing extra work for ESPN or if he's switched to them full time too. metirish May 07 2009 02:25 PM Player reaction Manny caught[/url:huygi4c3] Kong76 May 07 2009 03:45 PM Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page. Ashie62 May 07 2009 04:55 PM Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early. themetfairy May 07 2009 05:11 PM ="Kong76":eme8bbh8]Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page.[/quote:eme8bbh8] You'd take that over a Keg-a-Cue? MFS62 May 07 2009 09:33 PM Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later metsguyinmichigan May 07 2009 09:59 PM ="MFS62":3s3rbjyk]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:3s3rbjyk] Only if you take Tony LaRussa right behind him. SteveJRogers May 07 2009 10:03 PM ="MFS62":2jbrur59]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:2jbrur59] Yeah, they all were clean BEFORE joining Torre managed teams. I get you want to get him for "looking the other way" but when you think about it, do you really expect anything different from a hands off guy like Torre? Edgy DC May 07 2009 10:16 PM ="MFS62":26yfbcxw]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre[/quote:26yfbcxw] Well, yeah, he was naming Yankees of recent vintage and Torre was the manager for 13 years. They all have a lot in common. Yankee Stadium, Steinbrenner, Billy Crystal, Madonna. The point is the double standard Kay displayed. smg58 May 08 2009 05:00 AM ="Ashie62":3157mime]Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early.[/quote:3157mime] Because Brady Anderson's career was otherwise so forgettable that he's been, well, forgotten. If he was a HOF candidate, people would be talking about him for sure. At this point, everybody's a suspect. I see no point in singling anyone out before clear evidence comes up against them. Edgy DC May 08 2009 05:30 AM Anderson used to come up all the time. But now (1) he's retired, (2) he's eclipsed by people from whom we actually have failed tests from. And (3) what's the point? cooby May 09 2009 08:00 AM I like Manny, I'm sorry about this. I'm keeping him on my fantasy team, too. Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:01 PM ]"When you take steroids you have a direct outcome of the game, that's the integrity of the game. And when you can change records when you do something illegal, it's just not right. ... Baseball records are sacred. If you do something illegal to surpass those records, it's just not good." --Pete Rose, Guardian of Integrity in Baseball metirish May 14 2009 12:04 PM Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb.... Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:05 PM ="metirish":3sqflmah]Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb....[/quote:3sqflmah] Yeah. I wonder what other cheaters he thinks belong in the hall... Benjamin Grimm May 14 2009 12:08 PM I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading. metirish May 14 2009 12:11 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":37sj3ba0]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:37sj3ba0] Exactly why I didn't read it. Nothing he says really interests me. Fman99 May 14 2009 12:57 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":2eyfx6w2]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:2eyfx6w2] Pete Rose is a retard. That's why other retards always have Pete Rose's haircut.

[metirish]

They ran a poll and not a pool of course.

[smg58]

Either Manny's lying, or he and his doctor are the dumbest people on the planet.

[Centerfield]

Yup. The Dodgers too. How do you spend that amount of money and not monitor all mediations he is taking? After JC Romero, no club has any excuse.

[Centerfield]

On re-read, looks like Edgy already said what I said.

I just want to make it clear to Mr. McCourt (and Mr. Wilpon and every other owner) that I am willing to follow around Manny (or some other superstar) and make sure everything he takes isn't on the list. Call within the next twenty minutes (because you know I can't do this all day) and I'll do it for a just a few million a year.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

Hahahaha. This tickles my somewhat irrational dislike of the Dodgers.

[Fman99]

="Edgy DC":1hvft43p]Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?[/quote:1hvft43p] This is my first thought. I think if Manny is within a block of a pharmacy (or a guy selling something on a square of tin foil) then he should be tackled by his employer and rassled into submission.

Edgy DC May 07 2009 11:25 AM

If everybody's this dumbidddy dumb, and we're so Maxwell smart, maybe we should start a consulting firm.

Centerfield May 07 2009 11:26 AM

Plans for the Manny Ramirez Rotunda at Citifield:

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 07 2009 11:58 AM

Now he'll have more time for marinatin'!

holychicken May 07 2009 12:12 PM

="metirish":3h9mu37f]It's just Manny being Manny .......[/quote:3h9mu37f] No no. . . It's just Manny being Barry. Nymr83 May 07 2009 12:47 PM WOman-ram? ] two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO. OlerudOwned May 07 2009 12:48 PM Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs for reasons to related to steroid cycles. Farmer Ted May 07 2009 12:53 PM Manny has Bitch Tits. Swan Swan H May 07 2009 01:09 PM OlerudOwned wrote: ]Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs He wanted to test the feasibility of 'Manny breeding Manny.' He wanted to look good in a strapless gown. His dreads were getting split ends. He was considering signing with the Nationals, and heard they were a bunch of 'softball girls.' holychicken May 07 2009 01:24 PM ="Edgy DC":6autrplu]Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?[/quote:6autrplu] I doubt they can legally do so. The whole doctor-patient privacy law stops the teams from being able to force the players to do so, I would imagine. Valadius May 07 2009 01:47 PM Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious. metirish May 07 2009 01:53 PM T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn? Nymr83 May 07 2009 02:08 PM ="metirish":1kzkqzd1]T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn?[/quote:1kzkqzd1] i think espn will give a job to any ex-player in any sport at any time. metirish May 07 2009 02:13 PM But these two probably were at the forefront of investigating PED abuse in MLB over the last number of years. Quinn used to be Mets beat writer for the Snooze. Fainaru-Wada co-wrote " Game Of Shadows" . soupcan May 07 2009 02:18 PM ="Valadius":3ex0r9pw]Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious.[/quote:3ex0r9pw] Valadius - where the hell have you been? We're still waiting for your song parody entry! Frayed Knot May 07 2009 02:23 PM Quinn jumped from the NYDN to ESPN at least a year or so ago. Seems to have been hired specifically to work on their drug reporting (for baseball of course, there are no drug problems in the NFL) Not sure if Fainaru-Wada is still with his SF paper and just doing extra work for ESPN or if he's switched to them full time too. metirish May 07 2009 02:25 PM Player reaction Manny caught[/url:huygi4c3] Kong76 May 07 2009 03:45 PM Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page. Ashie62 May 07 2009 04:55 PM Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early. themetfairy May 07 2009 05:11 PM ="Kong76":eme8bbh8]Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page.[/quote:eme8bbh8] You'd take that over a Keg-a-Cue? MFS62 May 07 2009 09:33 PM Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later metsguyinmichigan May 07 2009 09:59 PM ="MFS62":3s3rbjyk]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:3s3rbjyk] Only if you take Tony LaRussa right behind him. SteveJRogers May 07 2009 10:03 PM ="MFS62":2jbrur59]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:2jbrur59] Yeah, they all were clean BEFORE joining Torre managed teams. I get you want to get him for "looking the other way" but when you think about it, do you really expect anything different from a hands off guy like Torre? Edgy DC May 07 2009 10:16 PM ="MFS62":26yfbcxw]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre[/quote:26yfbcxw] Well, yeah, he was naming Yankees of recent vintage and Torre was the manager for 13 years. They all have a lot in common. Yankee Stadium, Steinbrenner, Billy Crystal, Madonna. The point is the double standard Kay displayed. smg58 May 08 2009 05:00 AM ="Ashie62":3157mime]Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early.[/quote:3157mime] Because Brady Anderson's career was otherwise so forgettable that he's been, well, forgotten. If he was a HOF candidate, people would be talking about him for sure. At this point, everybody's a suspect. I see no point in singling anyone out before clear evidence comes up against them. Edgy DC May 08 2009 05:30 AM Anderson used to come up all the time. But now (1) he's retired, (2) he's eclipsed by people from whom we actually have failed tests from. And (3) what's the point? cooby May 09 2009 08:00 AM I like Manny, I'm sorry about this. I'm keeping him on my fantasy team, too. Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:01 PM ]"When you take steroids you have a direct outcome of the game, that's the integrity of the game. And when you can change records when you do something illegal, it's just not right. ... Baseball records are sacred. If you do something illegal to surpass those records, it's just not good." --Pete Rose, Guardian of Integrity in Baseball metirish May 14 2009 12:04 PM Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb.... Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:05 PM ="metirish":3sqflmah]Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb....[/quote:3sqflmah] Yeah. I wonder what other cheaters he thinks belong in the hall... Benjamin Grimm May 14 2009 12:08 PM I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading. metirish May 14 2009 12:11 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":37sj3ba0]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:37sj3ba0] Exactly why I didn't read it. Nothing he says really interests me. Fman99 May 14 2009 12:57 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":2eyfx6w2]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:2eyfx6w2] Pete Rose is a retard. That's why other retards always have Pete Rose's haircut.

[Guest Edgy DC]

If everybody's this dumbidddy dumb, and we're so Maxwell smart, maybe we should start a consulting firm.

[Centerfield]

Plans for the Manny Ramirez Rotunda at Citifield:

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Now he'll have more time for marinatin'!

[Guest holychicken]

="metirish":3h9mu37f]It's just Manny being Manny .......[/quote:3h9mu37f] No no. . . It's just Manny being Barry.

Nymr83 May 07 2009 12:47 PM

WOman-ram? ] two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.

OlerudOwned May 07 2009 12:48 PM

Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs for reasons to related to steroid cycles.

Farmer Ted May 07 2009 12:53 PM

Manny has Bitch Tits.

Swan Swan H May 07 2009 01:09 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: ]Going to have to get creative to justify taking women's fertility drugs He wanted to test the feasibility of 'Manny breeding Manny.' He wanted to look good in a strapless gown. His dreads were getting split ends. He was considering signing with the Nationals, and heard they were a bunch of 'softball girls.'

holychicken May 07 2009 01:24 PM

="Edgy DC":6autrplu]Ah, the ol' "down in Miami" defense. Seriously, how can you sympathize with any club that doesn't have their own medical personnel screening every phamaceutical --- if not every last can of who hash --- that goes into a player's body?[/quote:6autrplu] I doubt they can legally do so. The whole doctor-patient privacy law stops the teams from being able to force the players to do so, I would imagine. Valadius May 07 2009 01:47 PM Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious. metirish May 07 2009 01:53 PM T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn? Nymr83 May 07 2009 02:08 PM ="metirish":1kzkqzd1]T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada are now working for espn?[/quote:1kzkqzd1] i think espn will give a job to any ex-player in any sport at any time. metirish May 07 2009 02:13 PM But these two probably were at the forefront of investigating PED abuse in MLB over the last number of years. Quinn used to be Mets beat writer for the Snooze. Fainaru-Wada co-wrote " Game Of Shadows" . soupcan May 07 2009 02:18 PM ="Valadius":3ex0r9pw]Manny suspended because he couldn't get it up. Hilarious.[/quote:3ex0r9pw] Valadius - where the hell have you been? We're still waiting for your song parody entry! Frayed Knot May 07 2009 02:23 PM Quinn jumped from the NYDN to ESPN at least a year or so ago. Seems to have been hired specifically to work on their drug reporting (for baseball of course, there are no drug problems in the NFL) Not sure if Fainaru-Wada is still with his SF paper and just doing extra work for ESPN or if he's switched to them full time too. metirish May 07 2009 02:25 PM Player reaction Manny caught[/url:huygi4c3] Kong76 May 07 2009 03:45 PM Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page. Ashie62 May 07 2009 04:55 PM Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early. themetfairy May 07 2009 05:11 PM ="Kong76":eme8bbh8]Good thing the Mets didn't cave in and get him. My birthday's coming up in August if anyone wants to send me a grill like the one pictured with him on the other page.[/quote:eme8bbh8] You'd take that over a Keg-a-Cue? MFS62 May 07 2009 09:33 PM Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later metsguyinmichigan May 07 2009 09:59 PM ="MFS62":3s3rbjyk]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:3s3rbjyk] Only if you take Tony LaRussa right behind him. SteveJRogers May 07 2009 10:03 PM ="MFS62":2jbrur59]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:2jbrur59] Yeah, they all were clean BEFORE joining Torre managed teams. I get you want to get him for "looking the other way" but when you think about it, do you really expect anything different from a hands off guy like Torre? Edgy DC May 07 2009 10:16 PM ="MFS62":26yfbcxw]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre[/quote:26yfbcxw] Well, yeah, he was naming Yankees of recent vintage and Torre was the manager for 13 years. They all have a lot in common. Yankee Stadium, Steinbrenner, Billy Crystal, Madonna. The point is the double standard Kay displayed. smg58 May 08 2009 05:00 AM ="Ashie62":3157mime]Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early.[/quote:3157mime] Because Brady Anderson's career was otherwise so forgettable that he's been, well, forgotten. If he was a HOF candidate, people would be talking about him for sure. At this point, everybody's a suspect. I see no point in singling anyone out before clear evidence comes up against them. Edgy DC May 08 2009 05:30 AM Anderson used to come up all the time. But now (1) he's retired, (2) he's eclipsed by people from whom we actually have failed tests from. And (3) what's the point? cooby May 09 2009 08:00 AM I like Manny, I'm sorry about this. I'm keeping him on my fantasy team, too. Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:01 PM ]"When you take steroids you have a direct outcome of the game, that's the integrity of the game. And when you can change records when you do something illegal, it's just not right. ... Baseball records are sacred. If you do something illegal to surpass those records, it's just not good." --Pete Rose, Guardian of Integrity in Baseball metirish May 14 2009 12:04 PM Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb.... Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:05 PM ="metirish":3sqflmah]Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb....[/quote:3sqflmah] Yeah. I wonder what other cheaters he thinks belong in the hall... Benjamin Grimm May 14 2009 12:08 PM I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading. metirish May 14 2009 12:11 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":37sj3ba0]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:37sj3ba0] Exactly why I didn't read it. Nothing he says really interests me. Fman99 May 14 2009 12:57 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":2eyfx6w2]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:2eyfx6w2] Pete Rose is a retard. That's why other retards always have Pete Rose's haircut.

[nymr83]

WOman-ram?

] two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.