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[Guest themetfairy]

On the subject of the PA - it would have been nice to have been able to hear "New York State of Mind" on the ramp as we were exiting the stadium yesterday. The sound system should carry to the ramps and stairwells.

[metsmarathon]

="Swan Swan H":rt9ginvn]I also thought the sound of the PA would be better. There are speakers everywhere, so hopefully it just needs tweaking. For now it sounds like the speaker at a Taco Bell drive-thru.[/quote:rt9ginvn] im also a bit disappointed by the PA. i think they opted for something well suited to playing music in acoustically neutral outdoor spaces, (perhaps like a large garden or small park) but not for making announcements and being heard over crowd noise in very active, difficult outdoor spaces. they'd've been better off with a bunch of powerful horns and such rather than a series of smaller cone-based speakers throughout the place. plus, the ones i was below on saturday sounded buzzy already.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 20 2009 07:45 PM

Gwreck: Things that are worth writing about: 1. Obstructed view seats - railing/plexiglass blocking views for Promenade Reserved seats (I think you'd have a crack at this only if you are a season ticket holder who paid for those seats not realizing they were obstructed) 2. Lack of Mets history/hall of fame (agreed) 3. Tarps obscuring bullpens (This might be a safety issue mandated by the league. Would be nice to know, though.) 4. New restrictions to batting practice access (agreed) 5. Lack of urinal dividers in restrooms (Flaunt it, man! But seriously, these might be coming. If you were looking for stuff that you can add slowly during the season, this would be one. worth mentioning in a letter to make sure they're aware. Some of the older parks, but the way, have a common trough. Nasty old school stuff.) 6. Deceptive promotion of club access (Go get 'em!) Things that are not worth writing about: 1. Jackie Robinson rotunda 2. Color of outfield walls (Agreed.) Not sure: 1. Inability to see parts of the outfield from seats in the outfield. I haven't sat there. (I don't plan to, either). Also am unsure about how that could even be fixed.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Gwreck:

Things that are worth writing about:
1. Obstructed view seats - railing/plexiglass blocking views for Promenade Reserved seats

(I think you'd have a crack at this only if you are a season ticket holder who paid for those seats not realizing they were obstructed)

2. Lack of Mets history/hall of fame

(agreed)

3. Tarps obscuring bullpens

(This might be a safety issue mandated by the league. Would be nice to know, though.)

4. New restrictions to batting practice access

(agreed)

5. Lack of urinal dividers in restrooms

(Flaunt it, man! But seriously, these might be coming. If you were looking for stuff that you can add slowly during the season, this would be one. worth mentioning in a letter to make sure they're aware. Some of the older parks, but the way, have a common trough. Nasty old school stuff.)

6. Deceptive promotion of club access

(Go get 'em!)

Things that are not worth writing about:
1. Jackie Robinson rotunda
2. Color of outfield walls

(Agreed.)

Not sure:
1. Inability to see parts of the outfield from seats in the outfield. I haven't sat there. (I don't plan to, either). Also am unsure about how that could even be fixed.

[Guest Edgy DC]

="batmagadanleadoff":17anausm]Did I make a Dodger crack in this thread? Because I don't think I did.[/quote:17anausm] Somebody else did, and my objection seemed to prompt your entry into the conversation. I think the signature feature is Mets baseball games.

Kong76 Apr 20 2009 09:12 PM

Gw: Things that are worth writing about: 1. Obstructed view seats - railing/plexiglass blocking views for Promenade Reserved seats Watched about an inning yesterday in seats, spent the rest of the day all over wandering and had a ball. 2. Lack of Mets history/hall of fame I think they're getting the message about the HOF, I don't need too much history around the ballpark other than that. 5. Lack of urinal dividers in restrooms When ya gotta go, ya gotta go ... otherwise wait 'til ya really gotta go. I'm half kidding, I'd rather not hang it out in public and the urinal toilets are kinda funny looking with no dividers. 1. Inability to see parts of the outfield from seats in the outfield. I haven't sat there. (I don't plan to, either). Also am unsure about how that could even be fixed. Yeah, that's obstructed too way down the lines. My early opinion is the trade-off of being able to wander around and watch the game from anywhere I want to thus far is worth having a plan ticket that I can probably renew year after year that (for now) that is relatively cheap.

Fman99 Apr 21 2009 06:09 AM

="Gwreck":n13tm8f6]I think a letter writing campaign is a great idea. In my opinion: Things that are worth writing about: 1. Obstructed view seats - railing/plexiglass blocking views for Promenade Reserved seats 2. Lack of Mets history/hall of fame 3. Tarps obscuring bullpens 4. New restrictions to batting practice access 5. Lack of urinal dividers in restrooms 6. Deceptive promotion of club access Things that are not worth writing about: 1. Jackie Robinson rotunda 2. Color of outfield walls Not sure: 1. Inability to see parts of the outfield from seats in the outfield. I haven't sat there. (I don't plan to, either). Also am unsure about how that could even be fixed.[/quote:n13tm8f6] OK, I am the "keeps bringing up the Dodgers thing" guy. Fine. It sticks in my craw and that's that. So, why is the Jackie Robinson rotunda not worth mentioning to Mets brass? Is it because it's already a done deal? Because I think there are a fair amount of Mets fans, both here in the CPF and in general, who think that kind of tribute would best be served at Chavez Ravine and not in Flushing. I know, I know. It's been discussed to death. But it's also symbolic of some of the other complaints. It speaks to the current ownership's own inability to honor OUR team's history at the expense of other teams and players. No blue and/or orange seats? C'mon. There should be a big statue of Tom Seaver, not a big blue 42. And so on. Benjamin Grimm Apr 21 2009 07:15 AM I guess there really are two different ways of looking at this. To me, a Jackie Robinson memorial in Los Angeles wouldn't make a drop of sense. (As I said elsewhere, it would be like memorializing Connie Mack in Oakland instead of Philadelphia, or Walter Johnson in Minneapolis instead of Washington.) But on the other hand, I don't think a big rotunda in the Mets home ballpark is necessary either. A better place would have been in Keyspan Park or near the site of Ebbets Field (the real one) or near the Brooklyn anchorage of the Brooklyn Bridge. Did you catch what Rachel Robinson said when she was in the Mets broadcast booth? She was so pleased that the photos of Jackie were displayed in tile, making them permanent. She said it's nice to know that they'll be there forever. And then she added, "At least I hope so." She probably realizes that it's likely that her grandchildren, if not her children, will live to see the place torn down, with each individual tile being auctioned off. Edgy DC Apr 21 2009 07:29 AM I really don't want to have the "We're honoring a Dodger" argument in dozens of threads. duan Apr 21 2009 09:08 AM obviously I haven't seen it so I'm not a great witness. However, I have NO problem whatsoever in them having a special place for one of New York's most important ever sportsmen. It's clear that Jackie Robinson is something that baseball justifiably feels had an impact on the evolution of civil rights and of equality within your country. I can't see why honouring that is seen as anything but a pleasure. As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years. G-Fafif Apr 21 2009 09:40 AM Re: obviously I haven't seen it ="duan"]As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years. First permanent exhibit... 2009-2011: The Generally Ignoring Our History Years batmagadanleadoff Apr 21 2009 09:58 AM Re: obviously I haven't seen it ="duan":3eomplwq] As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.[/quote:3eomplwq] Why not wait a hundred years -- to 2062? Because Diamonds are better than Gold. HahnSolo Apr 21 2009 10:24 AM Re: obviously I haven't seen it ="duan":1fn2ahcc]As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.[/quote:1fn2ahcc] I'd think that the opening of a brand-new baseball only park for the team would be the right time to do it. duan Apr 21 2009 10:52 AM yeah but it didn't happen. Look, they're keeping Gooden's signature, they've gone on the record as acknowledging that people want more "METS" stuff, but to me this just seems like a crazy quest to beat people up over decisions that were made with decent intentions. Gwreck Apr 21 2009 11:09 AM I think we're getting off topic. I put the Rotunda in the "not worth writing about" from a purely pragmatic perspective. I doubt anyone really thinks they're going to change it. Ashie62 Apr 21 2009 02:52 PM How about a bust of Johnny Roseboro & Juan Marichal going at it..That would honor 2 post NY teams Personally..I'd like to see a bust of Bud Harrelson scruffling with Charlie Bustle

[Guest Kong76]

Gw: Things that are worth writing about:

1. Obstructed view seats - railing/plexiglass blocking views for Promenade Reserved seats

Watched about an inning yesterday in seats, spent the rest of the day all over
wandering and had a ball.

2. Lack of Mets history/hall of fame

I think they're getting the message about the HOF, I don't need too much
history around the ballpark other than that.

5. Lack of urinal dividers in restrooms

When ya gotta go, ya gotta go ... otherwise wait 'til ya really gotta go. I'm
half kidding, I'd rather not hang it out in public and the urinal toilets are kinda
funny looking with no dividers.

1. Inability to see parts of the outfield from seats in the outfield. I haven't sat there. (I don't plan to, either). Also am unsure about how that could even be fixed.

Yeah, that's obstructed too way down the lines.

My early opinion is the trade-off of being able to wander around and watch
the game from anywhere I want to thus far is worth having a plan ticket that
I can probably renew year after year that (for now) that is relatively cheap.

[Fman99]

="Gwreck":n13tm8f6]I think a letter writing campaign is a great idea. In my opinion: Things that are worth writing about: 1. Obstructed view seats - railing/plexiglass blocking views for Promenade Reserved seats 2. Lack of Mets history/hall of fame 3. Tarps obscuring bullpens 4. New restrictions to batting practice access 5. Lack of urinal dividers in restrooms 6. Deceptive promotion of club access Things that are not worth writing about: 1. Jackie Robinson rotunda 2. Color of outfield walls Not sure: 1. Inability to see parts of the outfield from seats in the outfield. I haven't sat there. (I don't plan to, either). Also am unsure about how that could even be fixed.[/quote:n13tm8f6] OK, I am the "keeps bringing up the Dodgers thing" guy. Fine. It sticks in my craw and that's that. So, why is the Jackie Robinson rotunda not worth mentioning to Mets brass? Is it because it's already a done deal? Because I think there are a fair amount of Mets fans, both here in the CPF and in general, who think that kind of tribute would best be served at Chavez Ravine and not in Flushing. I know, I know. It's been discussed to death. But it's also symbolic of some of the other complaints. It speaks to the current ownership's own inability to honor OUR team's history at the expense of other teams and players. No blue and/or orange seats? C'mon. There should be a big statue of Tom Seaver, not a big blue 42. And so on.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 21 2009 07:15 AM

I guess there really are two different ways of looking at this. To me, a Jackie Robinson memorial in Los Angeles wouldn't make a drop of sense. (As I said elsewhere, it would be like memorializing Connie Mack in Oakland instead of Philadelphia, or Walter Johnson in Minneapolis instead of Washington.) But on the other hand, I don't think a big rotunda in the Mets home ballpark is necessary either. A better place would have been in Keyspan Park or near the site of Ebbets Field (the real one) or near the Brooklyn anchorage of the Brooklyn Bridge. Did you catch what Rachel Robinson said when she was in the Mets broadcast booth? She was so pleased that the photos of Jackie were displayed in tile, making them permanent. She said it's nice to know that they'll be there forever. And then she added, "At least I hope so." She probably realizes that it's likely that her grandchildren, if not her children, will live to see the place torn down, with each individual tile being auctioned off.

Edgy DC Apr 21 2009 07:29 AM

I really don't want to have the "We're honoring a Dodger" argument in dozens of threads.

duan Apr 21 2009 09:08 AM obviously I haven't seen it

so I'm not a great witness. However, I have NO problem whatsoever in them having a special place for one of New York's most important ever sportsmen. It's clear that Jackie Robinson is something that baseball justifiably feels had an impact on the evolution of civil rights and of equality within your country. I can't see why honouring that is seen as anything but a pleasure. As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.

G-Fafif Apr 21 2009 09:40 AM Re: obviously I haven't seen it

="duan"]As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years. First permanent exhibit... 2009-2011: The Generally Ignoring Our History Years

batmagadanleadoff Apr 21 2009 09:58 AM Re: obviously I haven't seen it

="duan":3eomplwq] As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.[/quote:3eomplwq] Why not wait a hundred years -- to 2062? Because Diamonds are better than Gold. HahnSolo Apr 21 2009 10:24 AM Re: obviously I haven't seen it ="duan":1fn2ahcc]As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.[/quote:1fn2ahcc] I'd think that the opening of a brand-new baseball only park for the team would be the right time to do it. duan Apr 21 2009 10:52 AM yeah but it didn't happen. Look, they're keeping Gooden's signature, they've gone on the record as acknowledging that people want more "METS" stuff, but to me this just seems like a crazy quest to beat people up over decisions that were made with decent intentions. Gwreck Apr 21 2009 11:09 AM I think we're getting off topic. I put the Rotunda in the "not worth writing about" from a purely pragmatic perspective. I doubt anyone really thinks they're going to change it. Ashie62 Apr 21 2009 02:52 PM How about a bust of Johnny Roseboro & Juan Marichal going at it..That would honor 2 post NY teams Personally..I'd like to see a bust of Bud Harrelson scruffling with Charlie Bustle

[Benjamin Grimm]

I guess there really are two different ways of looking at this. To me, a Jackie Robinson memorial in Los Angeles wouldn't make a drop of sense. (As I said elsewhere, it would be like memorializing Connie Mack in Oakland instead of Philadelphia, or Walter Johnson in Minneapolis instead of Washington.)

But on the other hand, I don't think a big rotunda in the Mets home ballpark is necessary either. A better place would have been in Keyspan Park or near the site of Ebbets Field (the real one) or near the Brooklyn anchorage of the Brooklyn Bridge.


Did you catch what Rachel Robinson said when she was in the Mets broadcast booth? She was so pleased that the photos of Jackie were displayed in tile, making them permanent. She said it's nice to know that they'll be there forever. And then she added, "At least I hope so."

She probably realizes that it's likely that her grandchildren, if not her children, will live to see the place torn down, with each individual tile being auctioned off.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I really don't want to have the "We're honoring a Dodger" argument in dozens of threads.

[duan]

so I'm not a great witness. However, I have NO problem whatsoever in them having a special place for one of New York's most important ever sportsmen. It's clear that Jackie Robinson is something that baseball justifiably feels had an impact on the evolution of civil rights and of equality within your country.

I can't see why honouring that is seen as anything but a pleasure.

As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.

[G-Fafif]

="duan"]As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.

First permanent exhibit...

2009-2011: The Generally Ignoring Our History Years

[batmagadanleadoff]

="duan":3eomplwq] As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.[/quote:3eomplwq] Why not wait a hundred years -- to 2062? Because Diamonds are better than Gold.

HahnSolo Apr 21 2009 10:24 AM Re: obviously I haven't seen it

="duan":1fn2ahcc]As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.[/quote:1fn2ahcc] I'd think that the opening of a brand-new baseball only park for the team would be the right time to do it. duan Apr 21 2009 10:52 AM yeah but it didn't happen. Look, they're keeping Gooden's signature, they've gone on the record as acknowledging that people want more "METS" stuff, but to me this just seems like a crazy quest to beat people up over decisions that were made with decent intentions. Gwreck Apr 21 2009 11:09 AM I think we're getting off topic. I put the Rotunda in the "not worth writing about" from a purely pragmatic perspective. I doubt anyone really thinks they're going to change it. Ashie62 Apr 21 2009 02:52 PM How about a bust of Johnny Roseboro & Juan Marichal going at it..That would honor 2 post NY teams Personally..I'd like to see a bust of Bud Harrelson scruffling with Charlie Bustle

[HahnSolo]

="duan":1fn2ahcc]As for the Mets HOF, well I'd be inclined to think 2012 might be just around the right time for them to do it properly and in a way that has meaning. It'd have a very nice ring to it and would be a good way of celebrating 50 years.[/quote:1fn2ahcc] I'd think that the opening of a brand-new baseball only park for the team would be the right time to do it.

duan Apr 21 2009 10:52 AM

yeah but it didn't happen. Look, they're keeping Gooden's signature, they've gone on the record as acknowledging that people want more "METS" stuff, but to me this just seems like a crazy quest to beat people up over decisions that were made with decent intentions.

Gwreck Apr 21 2009 11:09 AM

I think we're getting off topic. I put the Rotunda in the "not worth writing about" from a purely pragmatic perspective. I doubt anyone really thinks they're going to change it.

Ashie62 Apr 21 2009 02:52 PM

How about a bust of Johnny Roseboro & Juan Marichal going at it..That would honor 2 post NY teams Personally..I'd like to see a bust of Bud Harrelson scruffling with Charlie Bustle

[duan]

yeah but it didn't happen.
Look, they're keeping Gooden's signature, they've gone on the record as acknowledging that people want more "METS" stuff, but to me this just seems like a crazy quest to beat people up over decisions that were made with decent intentions.

[Gwreck]

I think we're getting off topic. I put the Rotunda in the "not worth writing about" from a purely pragmatic perspective. I doubt anyone really thinks they're going to change it.

[ashie62]

How about a bust of Johnny Roseboro & Juan Marichal going at it..That would honor 2 post NY teams

Personally..I'd like to see a bust of Bud Harrelson scruffling with Charlie Bustle