2006 World Series: Detroit vs. St. Louis

[Elster88]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: ="metirish"]Bad error by him right there..... Yeah but I'd wish Tim would shut up and admire that Z had the presence of mind to strap 'em on and go for a triple play there. Ever since I was at a game in Philly where Piazza hit into a triple play and I barely realized it, I remind myself to be aware whenever there's at least 2 on and 0 out. As soon as Pujols hit reached Zumaya I was thinking "TRIPLE PLAY!" with the only tough out being Wilson at 2nd. Pujols barely runs and you know he's not paying attention.

Huh. I didn't think of it that way. I thought Zumaya was just being a moron. Maybe they'll ask him in the post game.

[metirish]

Of course tim never mentioned triple play...the play was at second according to him..the safe play really I suppose is what he meant.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Elster88 wrote: ="Johnny Dickshot"] ="metirish"]Bad error by him right there..... Yeah but I'd wish Tim would shut up and admire that Z had the presence of mind to strap 'em on and go for a triple play there. Ever since I was at a game in Philly where Piazza hit into a triple play and I barely realized it, I remind myself to be aware whenever there's at least 2 on and 0 out. As soon as Pujols hit reached Zumaya I was thinking "TRIPLE PLAY!" with the only tough out being Wilson at 2nd. Pujols barely runs and you know he's not paying attention. Huh. I didn't think of it that way. I thought Zumaya was just being a moron. Maybe they'll ask him in the post game.

Don't get me wrong. The TP was/is a high-risk manuever and probably not recommended for that situation, but as a fan I was thrilled for just a second. I think they had a shot.

[metirish]

Looper....

nah he won't blow this....

[Elster88]

I feel that Looper gets unfair treatment from Met fans. Though it doesn't help that his name rhymes with poop.

And his explanation of being booed was priceless.

[Elster88]

AAAA HAHAHAAHAHAH ROFLLMAO LOL

[metirish]

of course he gets bad treatment...I never thought he was terrible..just a bad team really...damn but St.Louis are up 2 to 1.....

[Zvon]

So far this World Series has been about as exciting as viewing hieroglyphical porn.

[Elster88]

Zvon wrote: So far this World Series has been about as exciting as viewing hieroglyphical porn.

Don't knock it unless you've tried it.

[stevejrogers]

Zvon wrote: So far this World Series has been about as exciting as viewing hieroglyphical porn.

Wonder how bad the ratings are going to be.

FOX was SOOOOOOO hoping for the Mets to pull that one out last week.

See Rassiman's column in the News today, basically called out FOX for being too silent and giving LaRussa the pass on the whole Rogers situation, geez way to kill whatever juice this series was to have (save for a Game 6-7 back in Mo-Town this weekend)

[metirish]

] Wonder how bad the ratings are going to be

Oh I am sure Russo will set francesa up for that tomorrow....

[Guest cooby]

Cardinals condemn toothless Tigers to defeat


What a crummy headline

[Willets Point]

[MFS62]

Some of the old time baseball purists must be spinning in their graves at the sight of Granderson (174Ks) and strikeout-prone Preston Wilson batting at or near the top of the batting order.

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[Frayed Knot]

- I'm more insulted by seeing Placido Polanco hitting 3rd.

- Not that any of the Tigger lineup is known for their patience and count-working.
Not only did no one walk, but not one saw a 3-ball count last night, nor did one see as many as 5 pitches in an AB.

- Top 3 in the Detroit lineup are 0-for-33 so far

- 82 pitches over 8 innings for Carpenter. He really - wait for it ... nailed it down!

[Guest cooby]

I am hoping tomorrow's headline reads

Tigers unsheath claws and go bird hunting
Cardinal team in tatters

[metirish]

That's damn good Cooby.

[Willets Point]

="cooby"]I am hoping tomorrow's headline reads Tigers unsheath claws and go bird hunting Cardinal team in tatters

Kind of reminds me of Sylvester and Tweety in that I always wondered why a big cat went to all that effort for one tiny bird with a big cranium. LaRussa would be the bird with the big cranium by the way.

[Guest cooby]

Growl....I''m sick of this Cardinals crap!

[metsmarathon]

i'm kinda curious, since they mentioned it last night that the last 1-5-6/4 double play in the world series was back in the 20's or so, how many real opportunities have there been for such a play?

i mean, how many times have there been runners on first and second with no outs?

how many times has the ball been hit sharply back to the pitcher, and fielded cleanly?

how many times has he thrown to third, instead of to second?

how frequently do each of those throws go astray?

how frequently does the double play get turned successfully with the throw to third as compared to the throw to second?

and does it matter that with slow runners at first and at bat, there's an improved chance of getting the ball to the necessary bags in time for additional outs?

just because its rare doesn't make it difficult, tim. it just makes it uncommon. and if zumaya makes a better throw there, we're talking, perhaps, about how uncommonly brilliant that play was, instead of how bad it was.

("Montezuma" is what my firefox spellchecker suggests for zumaya. interesting!)

[metirish]

Game to start soon..

[stevejrogers]

Man, it seems like the NLCS is the only spot where MLB actually CARED about fans at the ballpark for these games

JUST BANG THE GAME AND PLAY ON THE DOPEY TRAVEL DAY!

This game would have been banged in the regular season, see you for a DH Thursday or something

[soupcan]

'Bang' the game?

[metirish]

If for no other reason I want this game to start so that very stupid show"the war at home" is not on....

[nymr83]

="metirish"]If for no other reason I want this game to start so that very stupid show almost any show on FOX is not on....

i fixed your sentence for you.

[metirish]

Yeah true....

[stevejrogers]

soupcan wrote: 'Bang' the game?

Thats a general word for cancel right? Bag, bang, right?

Maybe?

[Guest cooby]

Bang the game slowly

[MFS62]

The rainout reminded me of something Jim Bouton talked about in one of his books. In a section talking about "Greenies" (Amphetamines), a rain delay has the players making a tough decision, "to pop or not to pop".

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[MFS62]

Zumaya-Gate - from Jayson Stark:

]posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 ST. LOUIS -- If there's one thing this World Series needs, other than emergency dome-implant surgery, it's a controversial story line that doesn't involve Kenny Rogers. Well, voila. Welcome to Zumaya-gate. Unlike Dirtgate, you probably missed Zumaya-gate on Tuesday because the Fox crew never picked up on it. But here's the deal: A very peculiar thing happened inside Busch Stadium in Game 3 when the hardest-throwing human being on our beloved planet, Tigers reliever Joel Zumaya, entered the game. All night long, the stadium radar board and the Fox TV radar-gun readings had been virtually identical. Oh, a mph apart every now and then, maybe. But nothing noticeable. Then Zumaya showed up, machine-gunning his usual assortment of 99s, 100s and 101s all over your TV screen. But if you were listening at home for the oohs and ahs those gun readings usually elicit, you might have noticed there were none. Why? Because, in Busch Stadium, the 46,000 folks watching all this live kept seeing a radar board showing mostly 95s and 96s. Pitch after pitch. On one particularly weird occasion, Zumaya launched a heaterball that Fox showed at 101 -- and it came up at 95 in the ballpark. "Really?" gulped Tigers closer Todd Jones on Wednesday. "Maybe it was 95 Canadian. ... Or metric." Sure. Or Celsius. Or -- if you're a conspiratorial kind of reader -- La Russius. Yes, friends. There were some idle suspicions being voiced anonymously in that Tigers clubhouse that the Cardinals asked the radar-board gang to deliberately devalue Zumaya's gun scores. So why would they even think to do that? Who knows? To mess with Zumaya's head? So their hitters wouldn't be terrified by seeing such scary numbers up there? So they could pretend the guy was more hittable than he normally is? Tell us that makes any sense. "Oh, it's 102," Jones said. "And if you don't believe it, just get a bat and helmet and stand in the box, because I've seen it too many times to doubt his fastball." Hey, excellent point. It's not as if those radar boards have sci-fi-ish, radar-board-over-matter powers, where, by displaying a slower pitch speed, they could actually slow the ball down to make it travel at that speed. Right? And if they could, wouldn't they show it puttering along at 75 -- not 95? Not that you should ever trust any radar-gun readings, you understand. Especially if they involve steering wheels, flashing lights, gas pedals and your right foot mysteriously attached to those gas pedals. But this was one disparity that seemed especially odd, given that it existed only for Zumaya -- not for anyone else who pitched. And, in our continuing efforts to provide you only the most journalistically sound radar-gun information possible, we even veered away from our own spectacular Web site and double-checked Zumaya's readings on MLB.com's GameDay log. They jibed with Fox's numbers -- not the stadium board's. Hmmm. So what's up with that, anyway? Zumaya, for one, had no idea. He told Booth Newspapers' Danny Knobler, the only writer to write about this strangeness Tuesday night, that he normally checks the board to monitor his gun numbers, but he didn't in this game. His teammate, Justin Verlander, did, however. And he was so alarmed by what he saw -- and worried Zumaya might be hurt -- he told Knobler he ran up to the clubhouse just to check Fox's readings. He felt a lot better afterward. A day later, the Tigers weren't ready to convene any Congressional Zumaya-gate hearings, though. If anything, they were highly amused by the whole deal. "It's a great day," Jones quipped, "when you can lose eight miles an hour -- and still throw 95."

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