Ditch the Black

[Guest Edgy DC]

Some quick Googlin' reveals that Derik Aasan was a successful Division III NCAA pitcher after starring at Smithtown. He now distributes Stone Beer.

Shouldn't John Freeman Gill have revealed Paul's day job?

[The Big O]

SteveJRogers wrote: (or a postseason birth)

Bringing fresh meaning to an announcer saying "and he delivers ..."

[Centerfield]

I will never wear the blue hat again until they ditch the stupid looking orange dot.

I also like the black/deep blue trim on the snow white jerseys. I like that 3-D effect it gives it.

But then again, I also like the black jerseys.

The white hat is cool too.

[Farmer Ted]

I try to coordinate my game-day outfit to match what the Mets are wearing that day. Each night I have every jersey and hat combo on stand-by not knowing what they're going to wear. It drives me nuts. Most days I don't know until the broadcast comes on at 7. When I go to the games I have ALL combinations in my car trunk. When I get there I have to pay the MTA $2 to get up on the #7 platform to see what they're wearing and go back to my car to make the change. When I was taking the #7, jeez, I had to take a whole suitcase. Last year I went to the game in Milwaukee and wore TWO jerseys at once and had to re-layer the combo once I found out which jersey they were wearing (black). Trouble was that I only wore one hat (all black) and they ended up wearing the black with blue visor. I was so freaking pissed. I went to the souvenir shop and all they had was the blue. That damn Charlie Samuels got several letters from me that week. Then, for crying out loud, I completely forgot about '86 throwback weekend and looked like a total dunce when I had the pinstripes on but without the orange and blue piping down the side. Don't even get me started on the orange button on the cap. And since when did red become the dominant color of the Cyclones? I looked like a goofball there, too, with my blue-sleeved undershirt. I signed the petition and want to hand deliver it to the Wilpons myself.

[Guest cooby]

Thanks, that laugh made my day

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think the orange dot is to trick us, to give us something banal to bitch about and keep us from organizing to defeat the black jersey forces.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I see the orange dot as benign. I'd prefer to see the blue button, but it's not nearly as offensive as the all-black caps and the black jerseys.

[DocTee]

Do any other teams have a different color dot? I think the Dodgers may have white, but am unsure.

[Centerfield]

Help me fight the dot and I will join you in your battle against black.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

metirish wrote: ] Did I read somewhere, maybe this forum, that it's Charlie Samuels' call on what uniforms to wear for each game? Ron and Gary were talking about this last night,Ron would like to see more of the clasic home uni with blue caps,Gary said that if you asked Charlie Samuels' he'd tell you that the Mets win/loss record on those uniforms is not good.

Yeah, they only won two World Series titles in them.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

DocTee wrote: Do any other teams have a different color dot? I think the Dodgers may have white, but am unsure.

The formerly located in Harlem Giants also sport an orange dot.

Which is probably where the orange dot came from.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Centerfield wrote: Help me fight the dot and I will join you in your battle against black.

No.

Prioritites must be priorities.

It's a contrasting dot. Not a foolhardy jump on a negative trend to redesign the whole freaking uniform paradigm.

Get over it. And this discussion almost invariably brings up the brief extinct white cap experiment. Excuse me, but if your culture is under occupation, it is not a springboard to compare it to occupations past, but a call to action.

[Guest martin]

the main problem with black is that it isnt orange.

[nymr83]

]And just keeping multiple uniforms in cicrulation is a crass attempt ot maximize profit in the short term, while ignoring the long-tem financial effects of degrading a brand.

is there any proof that adding more jerseys has a negative long term effect? i'd like to see it.

personally i dont like the black because it adds a completely new color to the team's color scheme, i wouldnt mind minor variations on the existing colors (such as the gray uniform with and without the stripe on the side.)

i think they should keep wearing the black for spring training and batting practice to help sell the damn things but stick to the traditional colors for regular season and postseason games.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Nymr83 wrote: i think they should keep wearing the black for spring training and batting practice to help sell the damn things but stick to the traditional colors for regular season and postseason games.

I can't argue that. But I understand that marketing is a necessary evil, so I'd even grant the black limited usage in regular season games. (People are more likely to want to buy them if they look like the caps and jerseys that appear in games.)

If they wore the traditional uniform about three quarters of the time, and used the alternative caps and jerseys the remainder of the time, I'd be satisfied.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Dave Howard wrote: �The black was added as a style element based on some degree of research of fans in terms of what was popular in the marketplace,� Dave Howard, the Mets� executive vice president of business operations, said on Thursday. �At the time, our traditional hats and uniforms were selling hardly at all.�

They were selling hardly at all because the Mets had pretty much sucked for six or seven years.

The black was introduced in 1998, the same year as Mike Piazza and a near miss at a Wild Card berth. People would have started buying more Mets merchandise that year anyway.

[Guest Edgy DC]

... if they were pink and covered with turtles.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

What color would the turtles be?

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Nymr83 wrote: ]And just keeping multiple uniforms in cicrulation is a crass attempt ot maximize profit in the short term, while ignoring the long-tem financial effects of degrading a brand. is there any proof that adding more jerseys has a negative long term effect? i'd like to see it.

Packaging and brand experts would tell you so.

[soupcan]

="DocTee"]Do any other teams have a different color dot? I think the Dodgers may have white, but am unsure.

Cubs.

[Willets Point]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ="Dave Howard"]�The black was added as a style element based on some degree of research of fans in terms of what was popular in the marketplace,� Dave Howard, the Mets� executive vice president of business operations, said on Thursday. �At the time, our traditional hats and uniforms were selling hardly at all.� They were selling hardly at all because the Mets had pretty much sucked for six or seven years. The black was introduced in 1998, the same year as Mike Piazza and a near miss at a Wild Card berth. People would have started buying more Mets merchandise that year anyway.

I think other teams have demonstrated that you can sell merch in all sorts of crazy designs without the team actually wearing them on the field.

[Guest Edgy DC]

How about ditching the black in the middle of this game?

[Valadius]

I'm in favor of it.

[Willets Point]

Naked players are motivated players.

[Zvon]

Willets Point wrote: Naked players are motivated players.

lmao--hey--im with yaz.
I mean,...last night--maybe the black may have been appropriete.
Fri 13th and all---
Do they still have black for home Jerseys?

[Guest cooby]

Willets Point wrote: Naked players are motivated players.

Especially during an early cold snap.

[Guest cleonjones11]

White at home with Blue pinstripes. Blue hat orange dot
Road gray NEW YORK on front.Same hat... Zero variations.

If they lose tomorrow naked game 5 with blue jockstraps only....

[MFS62]

Are there any statistics that show whether team plays better when wearing black or when naked?
And are those statistics recent?
I cannot accept a feeling that isn't based on the latest statistics. None of that "they won when they played naked in 2004" stuff. That was a different wind they faced in those games.

Later

[soupcan]

[u:19f9c23d4a]2006 NLCS[/u:19f9c23d4a]

Snow whites/Black & blue hats 1-1
Black unis/Black hats 0-1
Road grays/Black & blue hats 1-0
Pinstripes/blue hats 0-0

Ditch the friggin' black already, give the stripes a shot!

[Centerfield]

soupcan to address the media at 4 p.m. regarding the incriminating photos popping up around the internet that have threatened his good-standing in the Ditch-the-Black movement. No word from the KC and Vic camps.