Mets get Shawn Green

[Willets Point]

Iubitul wrote: I'm still waiting for the first Italian-English-German/American, who was born in a town along the CT coast to a firefighter father so I can have someone to identify with...

Find your hero.

[MFS62]

Willets Point wrote: Find your hero.

]OUT OF THE RUINS OUT FROM THE WRECKAGE CAN`T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE THIS TIME WE ARE THE CHILDREN THE LAST GENERATION WE ARE THE ONES THEY LEFT BEHIND AND I WONDER WHEN WE ARE EVER GONNA CHANGE LIVING UNDER THE FEAR, TILL NOTHING ELSE REMAINS WE DON`T NEED ANOTHER HERO WE DON`T NEED TO KNOW THE WAY HOME ALL WE WANT IS LIFE BEYOND THUNDERDOME LOOKING FOR SOMETHING WE CAN RELY ON THERE`S GOTTA BE SOMETHING BETTER OUT THERE LOVE AND COMPASSION THEIR DAY IS COMING ALL ELSE ARE CASTLES BUILT IN THE AIR AND I WONDER WHEN WE ARE EVER GONNA CHANGE LIVING UNDER THE FEAR TILL NOTHING ELSE REMAINS ALL THE CHILDREN SAY WE DON`T NEED ANOTHER HERO WE DON`T NEED TO KNOW THE WAY HOME ALL WE WANT IS LIFE BEYOND THUNDERDOME SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR LIFES WE LEAVE ONLY A MARK WILL OUR STORY SHINE LIKE A LIGHT OR END IN THE DARK GIVE IT ALL OR NOTHING WE DON`T NEED ANOTHER HERO WE DON`T NEED TO KNOW THE WAY HOME ALL WE WANT IS LIFE BEYOND THUNDERDOME

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[metirish]

Green on coming to NY.

] “It’s something that’s always intrigued me,” Green said. “New York is head and shoulders the largest Jewish population in the country, if not the world, and it will be an interesting and fun experience for me. I’m looking forward to being part of the Jewish community there.”

[Guest KC]

There are more Dominicans in New York than The Dominican Republic. When
high profile Dominicans were brought in, it was mocked.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

The question at the time was whether Omar was obtaining Dominican players because of their nationality.

I don't think that anyone believes that Omar went out to get Green because he's Jewish.

[Guest KC]

SK: >>>I don't think that anyone believes that Omar went out to get Green because he's Jewish.<<<

No, but I bet there are those who believe some wanted him here just because
he was Jewish and his practicing holidays was a family raising convenient point
to add to your side of the debate.

I admit at this point I'm being argumentative and I can't relate to you on this.
Maybe I'll go surf around and see if there are and German/Irish/Lithuanian/
English assclowns in MLB and find me a role model.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

]No, but I bet there are those who believe some wanted him here just because he was Jewish and his practicing holidays was a family raising convenient point to add to your side of the debate.

Who cares if some people believe that? Like WFAN callers, they're irrelevant.

[Guest KC]

I'm one of the some, therefore I'm irrelevant.

[Guest cooby]

ScarletKnight41 wrote: ="Iubitul"] However saying something like this: ]Commonality gives us something additional to pull for. Not all Mets are created equal Sounds a lot like Green is more equal than other Mets due to his religion, and if that is the case, is just wrong. First of all, it's not merely his religion, but it's the fact that he's made an effort to be a role model to kids that is noteworthy. .

Listen, I'm not Jewish, but I do have kids, and I think this is an excellent point. There just are not enough high profile people out there of any denomination willing to show their faith.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think there are too many, but I admit I have a minority perspective here.

[Gwreck]

cooby wrote: ="ScarletKnight41"]First of all, it's not merely his religion, but it's the fact that he's made an effort to be a role model to kids that is noteworthy. Listen, I'm not Jewish, but I do have kids, and I think this is an excellent point. There just are not enough high profile people out there of any denomination willing to show their faith.

What does his religion have to do with being a role model to kids (??)

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Not playing baseball on Yom Kippor makes him a role model for Jewish kids.

It's the holilest day on the Jewish calendar. It's nice to see a high-profile athelete treat that as a priority.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Even I can see that point.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Did the Mets sign Shawn Green or Eric Bana?

[metirish]

Even Jewish MFY fans come to cheer Shawn Green

Who knew Jason Marquis is a Jew?

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

metirish wrote: Even Jewish MFY fans come to cheer Shawn Green Who knew Jason Marquis is a Jew?

I did.

Last night D-Dad even mentioned how two Jewish players (Marquis and Green) were squaring off against each other.

[metirish]

]Last night D-Dad even mentioned how two Jewish players (Marquis and Green) were squaring off against each other

I wonder when was the last time that happened.

[Guest martin]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I think there are too many, but I admit I have a minority perspective here.

i agree. the whole idea of people having faith and other people respecting it seems very primitive. and so does being proud of faith, or race. and i think few things are more important than people realizing this.

but it is a baseball board, and shawn green seems like a nice fellow. the perfect replacement for nady. the final piece in the puzzle of a juggernaut offense.

[metirish]

] I wonder when was the last time that happened.

Well that's a dumb question from me,I'm sure Green and Marquis have faced each other recently.

[Guest Edgy DC]

martin wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"]I think there are too many, but I admit I have a minority perspective here. i agree. the whole idea of people having faith and other people respecting it seems very primitive. and so does being proud of faith, or race. and i think few things are more important than people realizing this. but it is a baseball board, and shawn green seems like a nice fellow. the perfect replacement for nady. the final piece in the puzzle of a juggernaut offense.

Should they be disrespected for it?

How is what we do here every day any less primitive?

[Guest Hillbilly]

Primitive means ancestral. So Martin use of term is right on the money.

[Guest martin]

i think we should respect faith in the same way we respect anything asserted without, or in spite of, evidence. for instance if a guy claims 2 plus 2 equals 6, we just laugh that off, and accept that what he is saying is silly and pointless. not so with religions. the christian or jew will assert things just as ridiculous, and we act like that is somehow respectable.

i'm not saying we should go around being jackasses to people with faith. but i think the mainstream mentality that we should somehow we should have some sort of reverence for people's faith, the time for that has come and gone. i think this unfounded reverence opens the door to infect future generations with faith.

what we do here is clearly pointless and primitive, but since we all know that, its cool, yo. we arent positive the mets are the best team in the universe because by random chance we were born into that unshakeable belief.

and i apologize for all this in the baseball forum.

[Guest martin]

oops, double post. i am incompetent and cant delete posts.

[Guest Hillbilly]

To follow up, if one celebrates individuals of their own group, it suggests that they favor one group, their own, over others. People of other ancestral lines almost naturally response with ‘what about my people” (check out this thread). It’s a slippery slope that is the root of tribalism, nationalism, and other forces that too often lead to no good. Of course, everybody should be proud of who they are, but that’s the point everyone should be. Ultimately all our ancestors left Africa a mere 50,000 years ago, so in truth we all share the same history, if we follow our ancestry back far enough. So we should all admire Green for being a good guy and a marvelous athlete and our brother.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think things asserted lacking practical concrete evidence are very very very different from those asserted despite practical concrete evidence to the contrary.

This argument has been had a billion times in better venues than this, but I do not gather weekly to assert that 2+2=6 or anything like it.

[Guest martin]

Edgy DC wrote: I think things asserted lacking practical concrete evidence are very very very different from those asserted despite practical concrete evidence to the contrary.

and when pushed, religious people who also have a hard time completely being wackos will admit that major tenets of their faiths are silly. and often over time they will backpedal until they are only asserting something so vague as to be not close to refutable. but that (not being explicitly proven as crazy) is a low standard for a belief worth respecting, a belief worth dividing over or becoming a victim or aggressor over.

]This argument has been had a billion times in better venues than this

that is true and again, i apologize for bringing it up here. i like to talk about it, but this isnt the place.

[Guest Hillbilly]

Galileo Galilei had concrete proof of a phenomena that went against the teaching of dominate religious bodies of his time, but rather than accept his insights, faith interfered with logic at it was argued that ‘2+2=6’ so to speak. The evidence and logical deductions of evolution are enormous in scope and scale, yet many people of faith insist on arguing that ‘2+2=6’. So although the existence of God has no conclusive evidence to the contrary, there have been examples of important religious tenets being ‘proven’ wrong and were people of faith choose to continue in their ignorance.

[duan]

committed Atheist, I'd heartily recommend to all that we DON'T GET INTO THIS HERE.

Seriously folks. we'll have a row.

[Guest Edgy DC]

martin wrote: and when pushed, religious people who also have a hard time completely being wackos will admit that major tenets of their faiths are silly. and often over time they will backpedal until they are only asserting something so vague as to be not close to refutable. but that (not being explicitly proven as crazy) is a low standard for a belief worth respecting, a belief worth dividing over or becoming a victim or aggressor over.

Broad characterization. Really broad.

And I know about Galileo. A lot.

Disrespecting peoople is disrespecting people.

[Willets Point]

="duan"]Seriously folks. we'll have a row.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of the fisticuffs, old chum.