Deadline Deals 2006

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: I had heard rumors of his being dealt but figured Chipper's injury might put an end to that. Wrong again!!! To the Dodgers for Denys Baez and someone else.

Edge was just sayin that in the IGT and I thought he was spot on in the analysis.

Willie Aybar is part of that deal.
Eww--I dont like the news that the Braves now have Baez.

[Frayed Knot]

Baez hasn't been all that good this year and Betemit seemed to be getting good after failing to live up to his early promise for a while. I'm surprised the Braves chose now to deal him.
Some rumors had him winding up with the Yanquis so I guess it's not as bad as it could have been.

[Zvon]

Aybar was probly the clincher there- he plays 3rd.
I wonder if the Chipper injury had the opposite effect on Betemits security on the Braves. I wonder if that hastened the deal.

[Frayed Knot]

Phils send David Bell to Milwaukee for a minor league pitcher.
Boy did that FA signing turn out to be a dud for Philly.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Spot on and dead-wrong.

Aybar, I guess, is the new thirdbaseman, but I'm not impressed.

[Guest GYC]

ESPN reports Abreu, Lidle officially to Yankees; no word on for what, but speculation says CJ Henry and Steven White.

[Guest GYC]

Here we go:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2534459

Sunday, July 30, 2006
Yankees have tentative deal for Abreu, Lidle

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ESPN.com news services

The Philadelphia Phillies and New York Yankees have a tentative deal to send Phillies right fiedler Bobby Abreu and pitcher Cory Lidle to New York ESPN.com's Buster Olney reported Sunday.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported the Yankees will send 18-year-old minor-league shrotstop C.J. Henry -- their No. 1 pick in 2005 -- and 27-year-old left-handed reliever Matt Smith. The Phillies will also pick one other minor-leauge player from an agreed-upon list, while the Yankees will take on responsibility for Abreu and Lidle's contracts.

Abreu is hitting .277 with 8 home runs and 65 RBI in 99 games. He has a career batting average of .301 with 198 home runs and 841 RBI over 10 seasons.

Lidle, a right-hander, is 8-7 with a 4.74 ERA in 21 starts in 2006. In eight seasons he has a career mark of 78-69 with a 4.54 ERA.

Abreu was in the Phillies' starting lineup Sunday but was pulled for Shane Victorino 10 minutes before their game with the Florida Marlins.

[Zvon]

So the Skanks get Abreu.
This is big news round here.

Id have rather seen Burrell go to the A.L.
And I think he's a weaker link for the Phils--but Abreus the one everyone wanted.

The Phillies get left-hander Matt Smith and Class A shortstop C.J. Henry -- a first-round draft pick in 2005. They also landed rookie league catcher Jesus Sanchez and right-hander Carlos Monasterios.

This may end up being an excellent move by the Phils, sometime down the line.

I imagine Charlie Manuel will get the axe soon.

[Frayed Knot]

The odds of any of those guys being any other than useful parts is pretty slim.
Philly's main goal here was to dump out of Abreu's salary and between Bell, Thome & now Abreu they've dumped a lot - even though, you're right, they probably would have preferred to rid themselves of Burrell.

Now they need to spend that cash wisely, have some of their young pitching come through, ... and probably get a new manager.


I'm assuming that the Yanx picked up the Abreu option (he had the right to veto if not) meaning they'll overpay for him the next 2+ years but he'll simply replace Sheffield and that .400+ OBA in the midst of the rest of that lineup will add a lot of offense.
Lidle simply gives them a 4th/5th starter (buh-bye Sydney Ponson) for the rest of the year and then he's gone.

[metirish]

I'm sure Abreu is just happy to be out of Philly,he's not had a home run in 132 AB's,maybe this gets him going.I read that the yanks will assume all of his contract,so I suppose that means the option.

[Frayed Knot]

First MFY call I hear on WFAN:
'they should re-sign Sheffield for next year anyway and platoon him & Abreu'


It reminds me of when McGwire was dealt from Oaklnad to St Louis.
A Yanx fan was upset that his team didn't get him even though they had Tino playing well at the time plus several DH's (Straw, Raines, prolly others).
- 'But where you you play him?' asked the host
- 'Well, he could be our part-time DH against lefties!'

[metirish]

That's just so funny.....only a yankee fan could think like that.

From the Times...

] Abreu has more than $4 million left on his contract this season, he will earn $15 million in 2007 and he has a $16 million option with a $2 million buyout in 2008. He needed to waive a no-trade clause, which he had indicated he would do to play in a major market like New York.

[metirish]

John Kruk thinks Sheffield should move to first base.

[Guest KC]

Jeez, when did YES take over ESPN Baseball Tonight?

[metirish]

Ronnie Belliard to the Cards for Hector Luna.

[Zvon]

metirish wrote: John Kruk thinks Sheffield should move to first base.

I saw this-but like they said on BB2Nite I think they are gonna have a problem with Sheffield over this.
Unless he is true to his word and really only wants to be a Yankee no matter what.
This is gonna be interesting.

[Centerfield]

MFY's gave up nothing. Since all they have to do is take on money (something they are happy to do), it looks like this deal is a steal for them.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Hughes, Tabata, Duncan, and White. These are the names of the prospects we want to see the Yankees giving up.

I'd settle for Hughes.

[metirish]

Yeah it looks like a pure money deal for the Phillies, Gillick said today that he didn't think they could compete next year, Phillie fans will love to hear that.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Of course, if the Phillies get four good young prospects, we may regret it in the years to come.

[metirish]

True, I think one of the kids they got is 26.....not saying he can't make it to the bigs but time might be running out.

[smg58]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Of course, if the Phillies get four good young prospects, we may regret it in the years to come.

Only Henry was in minorleagueball.com's top 20 for the organization, and he's underachieving right now. It's a salary dump, pure and simple. I don't see Lidle as a difference maker, but Abreu brings another .400+ OBP to the Yankees and makes it that much harder to get through their lineup unscathed.

The Phillies might be able to make good use out of the money their freeing up though, so don't rule next year out for them.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Hard to figure how the Phils failed to reach the postseason even once while getting the best years of guys like Rolen, Burrell and Abreu and seeing the arrival of young studs like Rollins, Utley & Howard.

They needed a little more pitching, and probably, a better 3Bman and catcher, but with the payroll, stadium revenue and everything, I think it'll go down as one of the biggest missed opportunities of this decade.

I sure hope Abreu performs like the lazy fat guy we see occassionally, and not the guy who winds up with all those great stats at the end of the year, for the MFYs. And at the very least, that his arrival causes some kind of clubhouse uneasiness.

Lidle is the guy the MFYs so frequently seemed to beat when he was with Oakland.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Maybe if the Phils had hung onto Schilling and made a franchise player out of him, the two championships he's since been a part of might have been Philly championships. I doubt it, but they've sure seem to have had less pitching than they thought they did.

For what it matters, they also have been a grousy bunch of guys for about two full roster turnovers.

[Zvon]

Edgy DC wrote: Maybe if the Phils had hung onto Schilling and made a franchise player out of him, the two championships he's since been a part of might have been Philly championships. I doubt it, but they've sure seem to have had less pitching than they thought they did.

I dont doubt it.
And dont bring that up to a Philly fan unless you want to hear a person cry.

[nymr83]

both Burrell and Abreu having gaudy offensive numbers but i've heard that they are both "afraid of the wall" defensively.

pitching has obviously been the main philly problem as many young guys they thought would pan out just didn't- Randy Wolf, Brandon Duckworth, Ryan Madson (as a starter) come to mind.

[duan]

i'm a little disappointed that IF he could be had for that, that we didn't have a look see. Abreu's just an OBP Monster. I know he's a hell of a lot more expensive then Nady you could have held on to Nady as 4th OF (with lots of abs)/1b and then decided who of Nady/Lastings to flip in the winter.

I'm also a little scared that Omar's gonna get all jumpy about the ubiquitous 'back pages', but that's tempered by the knowledge that they all have to be feeling pretty good about stomping all over the Braves over the weekend!!!

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

We can also hope Abreu's slugging % over his last 600 PAs (.424) indicates that he's hardly worth the $17 billion the MFYs are on the hook for.

Omar, according to Heyman, spent the time looking into Schmidt and Oswalt.

[Elster88]

What time is the deadline?

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

4:00 pm