NY Mets Twitter Takes

[whippoorwill]

My memory is that I was astonished that anyone would throw firecrackers at other people

[metirish]

Possible?

[batmagadanleadoff]

https://twitter.com/OGTedBerg/status/1685009337872199680 Possible?

Isn't that Harry Chiti?

[metirish]

Good call

[Benjamin Grimm]

The Harry Chiti thing likely wasn't prearranged.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The Harry Chiti thing likely wasn't prearranged.

Should it matter?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think that's the question. Is it allowed to designate the PTBNL in the way suggested above? It may or may not be.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think it should matter. You could make that trade if it wasn't prearranged, but not if it was prearranged? Why not? What's the worry?

[A Boy Named Seo]

I would guess JV would have to waive his no-trade clause twice. It's a pretty fun idea, very close to a soccer-style loan.

[Edgy MD]

I think a guy that is signed (and knows he's signed, and the public knows he's signed) to one team for this year and another team for next year, would be a worrisome precedent that I imagine MLB wouldn't allow, considering the conflicts of interest that you can foresee and the conflicts of interest that you can't foresee.



If such a deal exists and the PtBNL isn't made public could change that concern, but given enough time, the identity of Ps-tbNL tend to almost always leak (if the teams have settled on a figure).

[batmagadanleadoff]

Are you saying that a Chiti type deal should be permitted, but not if it's prearranged? Or that even a Chiti type deal should be banned? I'm good with the second one, but not the first. If teams could do a Chiti, they should also be able to do a prearranged Chiti. Who wants to get into litigating intent and all of that?

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure what should be permitted. I just think MLB wouldn't want it and I suspect they have some regulation about it. I assume that when a PtBNL deal is made, the terms are reported to MLB and they know whether it's a specific player or a selection from a pool of players that will be made later. I don't know, though.



The Chiti deal, I imagine, wasn't pre-planned as it worked out, but instead came about when the actual plan fell through. The player that the Indians were aiming at had gotten hurt or arrested, and the league had to sign off on the return. But obviously, it was a very different time. But we can ask Dom Chiti if he can provide any insight.

[whippoorwill]

The name Harry Chiti always makes me hungry. 🤔

[Edgy MD]

For chili or for Cheetos?



Or for chili infused with Cheetos?

[whippoorwill]

I know! It's something like that!

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I got the impression that the Chiti trade wasn't really a trade at all but rather a loan that got called a trade when the NY press got a hold of it.



Mets did lots if " conditional" transactions back then

[MFS62]

IIRC, the PTBNL was implemented for two reasons:

1) If the player you received played well, you gave up a better player, and vice versa.

2) You couldn't trade a player while they were on the DL (now IL), so the name was released when the player returned from injury.

But the true "loan" idea is interesting, sneaky enough that if this was football, Bill Belichick would ty it.



The Chiti deal was a curiosity at the time and will forever be the answer to a trivia question.



Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

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[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Didn't it go the other way around,? Mets--Tribe--mets

[kcmets]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Didn't it go the other way around,? Mets--Tribe--mets

Yes, of course.



Indian Giver Gazzette is pretty amusing. That kind of satire would never

fly nowadays some sixty years later.

[stevejrogers]

All this talk is reminding me of being in Boston the day David Cone was traded to Toronto for Jeff Kent and a PTBNL.



Ryan Thompson wasn't selected until after the rosters expanded on September first, so the host on WEEI was speculating as who the Jays were sending the Mets way.



One suggestion, by the host himself not a caller, was that Cone could be sent back to New York after the Blue Jays finished their season!



Never mind the Jays wound up being World Champions that October, so talk about playing a long game to complete a transaction! But that was ignorantly not realizing Cone was a free agent to be heading into the 1993 season! Hence why the Mets moved him to a contender in a quintessential rental deal!



The Mets were clearly not going to be in the Cone sweepstakes that offseason, so better get some MLB ready talent for him, but the point was more that even if the rules allowed for it, or a loophole was big enough to do it. There really wasn't any point to make Cone the PTBNL if he was going to hit the free agent market anyway.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Didn't it go the other way around,? Mets--Tribe--mets Yes, of course.

https://thisdayinbaseball.com/harry-chiti-is-traded-for-himself/https://thisdayinbaseball.com/harry-chiti-is-traded-for-himself/



Chiti was traded to the Mets and then a few months later, sent back to where he came from -- the Indians. End of transaction.

[kcmets]

My duh, thanks.



bbrdotcom:

April 26, 1962: Purchased by the New York Mets from the Cleveland Indians.

June 15, 1962: Returned to the Cleveland Indians by the New York Mets following previous purchase.



Never played for Cleveland in either instance unless my eyes are

playing tricks on me.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Didn't it go the other way around,? Mets--Tribe--mets Yes, of course. https://thisdayinbaseball.com/harry-chiti-is-traded-for-himself/https://thisdayinbaseball.com/harry-chiti-is-traded-for-himself/ Chiti was traded to the Mets and then a few months later, sent back to where he came from -- the Indians. End of transaction.

Immaculate Grid tip: Don't answer Harry Chiti for an Indians/!Mets box. Chiti never appeared in a game for the Indians.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

So I looked this up. Mets purchase Chili from Cleveland in April for $25K. They send him to Jacksonville (a Cleveland farm club) in June when they add Gene Woodling.



Stan Issacs writes about it months later. No PTBNL till then that I saw



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[whippoorwill]

Is there more to that zoo story too?

Edited July 29, 2023 by Guest

[batmagadanleadoff]

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Indian Giver Gazzette is pretty amusing. That kind of satire would never

fly nowadays some sixty years later.

[metirish]

On a team bound for nowhere

I met up with Stevie Cohen

We were both too tired to sleep

So we took turns a-starin'

Out the window at the darkness

The boredom overtook us

And he began to speak





He said, "Billly, I've made a life

Out of readin' people's faces

Knowin' what the cards were

By the way they held their eyes

So if you don't mind my sayin'

I can see you're out of aces

For a taste of your whiskey

I'll give you some advice"



Know when to fold 'em

Know when to walk away

And know when to run

You never count your money

When you're sittin' at the table

There'll be time enough for countin'

When the dealin's done

[MFS62]

Well done.

Later

[metirish]

STFU Gary