If deGrom still deserves his own thread, well then this is it.

batmagadanleadoff · April 23, 2023

6 IP, 11 K's, 1 ER allowed and the pitching win for Jake deGrom and the first place, that's right, first place Rangers, who have a 2.5 game lead on the second place team in their division, the biggest first-place lead in all of baseball other than that of the practically unbeatable Rays.

batmagadanleadoff · April 25, 2023

Where deGrom ranks right now among AL pitchers (2023 season stats):

WHIP - 0.788 (3rd)

H/9 IP - 6.075 (7th)

BB/9 IP - 1.013 (2nd)

K/9 IP - 14.513 (1st)

K's - 43 - (1st)

K/BB's - 14.333 (1st)

FIP 1.41 (1st)

... and trending upwards with a bullet.

Johnny Lunchbucket · April 25, 2023

fuck him

Benjamin Grimm · April 25, 2023

Yeah. I've moved on. I'm as interested in him as I am in Rick Porcello or Michael Wacha.

Gwreck · April 25, 2023

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

fuck him

Fair. He didn't want to be a Met anymore, ok, fine. Get lost.

G-Fafif · April 25, 2023

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

fuck him

Fair. He didn't want to be a Met anymore, ok, fine. Get lost.

One month in, I've brushed aside whatever sentimentality to which I thought I might be prone. I don't care if he wins the AL Cy Young. I don't care if he gets bombed every few starts. I wish him no physical discomfort, but I don't care if he misses time.

Edgy MD · April 25, 2023

After studying the Mets' boxscore in the late seventies, I'd move on to the Reds' box (to see if Seaver pitched, and if so, how well), then to the Twins' box (to look for Koosman), and finally to the Rangers' box (to check on Matlack).

But I don't know if it's more that deGrom wasn't traded, but signed elsewhere, or that I'm not 11, but I don't feel and emotional stake in his success. At least not theseadays.

batmagadanleadoff · April 25, 2023

Edgy MD wrote:

After studying the Mets' boxscore in the late seventies, I'd move on to the Reds' box (to see if Seaver pitched, and if so, how well), then to the Twins' box (to look for Koosman), and finally to the Rangers' box (to check on Matlack).

But I don't know if it's more that deGrom wasn't traded, but signed elsewhere, or that I'm not 11, but I don't feel and emotional stake in his success. At least not theseadays.

I'm with Lunchie and "fuck him". But I'm still interested. Because I've never seen anyone pitch as dominating as the healthy deGrom of the last two seasons. I don't think anyone else has either -- including dead fans.

What I've come to despise are these ever proliferating player opt-out clauses. What utter bullshit. So if deGrom's arm fell off and his career was ruined, he'd still be in line to collect $35M a year for several more years. But if the market goes up -- and it goes up every year -- ha can essentially break his contract and demand a huge raise. It's all reward and no risk.

whippoorwill · April 25, 2023

He's on my team. I need him.

Edgy MD · April 25, 2023

Or, from the other side of the agreement, all risk and no reward.

It helps explain why the Mets have topped their rotation with two pitchers who are high performing but near the end of their viability, and therefore willing to take shorter-term deals but with the years guaranteed for both sides.

Gwreck · April 25, 2023

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=123456 time=1682455545 user_id=68]he can essentially break his contract and demand a huge raise. It's all reward and no risk.

batmagadanleadoff · April 25, 2023

he can essentially break his contract and demand a huge raise. It's all reward and no risk.

That's not “essentially break[ing] his contract.”

That IS the contract. The one that both sides negotiated and agreed to.

Yeah, I know. It's just a way of phrasing things. But the contract essentially allows deGrom to break it. Essentially. In effect. More or less. Virtually.

Would it've made you happier if I wrote "get out of" instead of "break"? It doesn't change the real point or essence.

kcmets · April 25, 2023

Edgy MD wrote:
he Mets have topped their rotation with two pitchers who are high performing but near the end of their viability...

Perhaps near(er) than anticipated.

Edgy MD · April 25, 2023

Perhaps, but if they are, at least the contracts sunset in a year or two, and you try again with somebody else.

But yeah, it's a different story to give a guy a contract that's for two or three years if he's good, six or seven if he isn't.

Gwreck · April 25, 2023

Edgy MD wrote:
But yeah, it's a different story to give a guy a contract that's for two or three years if he's good, six or seven if he isn't.

I'm not sure I would call it “giving” a guy a contract versus negotiating one. I say good for the player for utilizing his leverage and negotiating for that flexibility.

batmagadanleadoff · April 25, 2023

Edgy MD wrote:
But yeah, it's a different story to give a guy a contract that's for two or three years if he's good, six or seven if he isn't.

I'm not sure I would call it “giving” a guy a contract versus negotiating one. I say good for the player for utilizing his leverage and negotiating for that flexibility.

That a player has the leverage to negotiate an opt-out doesn't necessarily make it fair or a good thing for baseball. And I'm like the last guy to likely side with the owners over the players. I'd explore banning them in the next CBA.

Wilpon negotiated that one because he knew he wouldnt be here in 2023 and couldnt give a flying fuck about the future state of the Mets. That's why he signed Cano, dealt Kelenic for Diaz and didnt delay Alonso's debut for the requisite couple of weeks so as to push back his walk year by a whole calendar year, selfish scumbag that he is. If the Mets were operating under normal conditions and not in a state of financial crisis, none of those things would've happened.

Edgy MD · April 25, 2023

Edgy MD wrote:
But yeah, it's a different story to give a guy a contract that's for two or three years if he's good, six or seven if he isn't.

I'm not sure I would call it “giving” a guy a contract versus negotiating one. I say good for the player for utilizing his leverage and negotiating for that flexibility.

It's great for the player, and it's well within his rights, but I root for the Mets to make moves that help them most, and advocate for acquisition principles that help them the most.

Believe me, I want players to have all the leverage they deserve.

Johnny Lunchbucket · April 28, 2023

Fuck Him goes tonight against the Yankees

batmagadanleadoff · April 28, 2023

deGrom pulled after three and two thirds with the Rangers up five zip.

Another injury or something?

G-Fafif · April 28, 2023

ashie62 · April 28, 2023

I just saw this

Uncle Steve knew what he was doing

ashie62 · April 28, 2023

Hammy?

whippoorwill · April 28, 2023

🤦‍♀️

Edgy MD · April 28, 2023

Looks heartbroken.

ashie62 · April 29, 2023

Forearm soreness

Some speculation already about a second Tommy John

Frayed Knot · April 29, 2023

So that's six starts this year but a total of only 30.1 innings and he needed to be pulled early in two of them due to a medical issue.

Yeah, I'd be nervous over this going forward if I were TEX mgmt.

A Boy Named Seo · April 29, 2023

I'm sure Texas had nervousness baked into the recipe. So far, it's been exactly what everybody would've expected. DeGrom is lights out when he is on a mound but he's not there as often as anybody would like.