IGT Wed Apr 19 Mets @ Dodgers Get Away Day

[metirish]

Great win and series, I'll take that, good IGT guys

[Frayed Knot]

Only three innings from Scherezer plus a run each allowed by Robertson and Ottavino = W



That's not a combo likely to be duplicated too often this year.

[metirish]

Oh boy

[nymr83]

If he was already ejected he should run some rosin on the umpire's shirt, so it would be there for post game analysis

[metirish]

Boras makes some good points here

[MFS62]

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If he was already ejected he should run some rosin on the umpire's shirt, so it would be there for post game analysis

[Edgy MD]

Well, I don't want to jump to conclusions, but the Dodgers don't seem to be the same team these days.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Well, I don't want to jump to conclusions, but the Dodgers don't seem to be the same team these days.

They certainly don't, although we did miss Will Smith plus 2/3 of Mookie Betts in this series.

Also, the Gavin Lux injury (damn WBC!!) trashed their preseason blueprint and they've yet to figure Plan B.

[Fman99]

Quality win. I assumed they were foogered once Max got the heave ho but shows what I know. On to San Fran

[ashie62]

Max will be well rested for his next outing.



Depending on Marte reinforcements could be coming

[nymr83]

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1648814059054325761 Boras makes some good points here

Boras is right - and the 10 game suspension is dumb. When they eject a pitcher, they should take a sample of the sticky substance. if it turns out to be rosin that got mixed in with the sunscreen on the guy's arm, its an ejection. no suspension. When it turns out to be "spider tack", 60 games.

[metirish]

This can't be good

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[metsmarathon]

They need to put out clear guidelines on how much is too much, how to clean hands off, what can and what cannot be used.



If the issue - as was discussed this morning on the mlb radio morning show - was that max cleaned his hands with alcohol, and that ‘activated' the rosin making it stickier, but the alcohol was available and furnished for hand-cleaning and rosin removal, then there's a big fucking problem isn't there?



He cleaned his hands in front of the dugout mlb official. If he was doing it wrong, there's a big problem there.



The rule cannot be “don't use too much, and we'll know what too much looks like when we see it”

[Edgy MD]

You put a new glove on, and the leather dye compounds start breaking down as soon as the sweat and alcohol and other shit starts interacting with it. A really weird situation that pops up when we start instituting rules hand over fist without really thinking what it means when we try to enforce them.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Here's a new detail from yesterday's Scherzer incident: Scherzer went into the tunnel to wash off the "stickiness" with alcohol after instructed to do so by the umpire. He then reapplied new rosin and went out to the mound. But the only MLB approved rosin that pitcher's may use is from the rosin bag on the mound, which is inspected for quality control before the game. Any other rosin is considered a foreign and prohibited substance.

[Frayed Knot]

During the game, Gelbs said that this is something Scherzer/the Mets can appeal.

What wasn't clear from his answer was whether it's an all or nothing thing. iow, since the penalty of ten games is pre-set by MLB it makes it sound like the only choices on appeal

are guilty or innocent/ten games or zero.

Or is there room for a less guilty condition -- misdemeanor stickiness rather than the felony version -- where a lesser suspension can be imposed?

As it is, ten games for a starter is effectively only one start anyway so it's probably the all or nothing answer.

[bmfc1]

Ten-game suspension.

Suspension appealed.



Please ask Manfred: what was the difference between this situation and the one with Domingo German?

What was the purpose of the MLB official other than to watch Max wash his hands?

Why has only one umpire been involved in 100% of the suspensions for this behavior?

[Frayed Knot]

Gary speculated that following the German thing getting handled so ... oddly (mgr Baldelli certainly wasn't happy with the non-ejection) that MLB probably

sent memos out to the effect to get tougher once a warning was given and Scherzer happened to be the first one to get caught up in that net.

[bmfc1]

As Max was a negotiator for the MLBPA (and reportedly yelled at MLB negotiators per John Harper) I'm sure that Manfred and his henchmen enjoyed giving Max this punishment.