MFYankees Carnage 2023

[metirish]

Probably nothing

[Fman99]

Ruh roh

[metirish]

For your viewing pleasure at a later date



https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2023/02/espn-films-announces-multi-part-documentary-event-the-yankees-win/https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2023/02/espn-films-announces-multi-part-documentary-event-the-yankees-win/

[MFS62]

For your viewing pleasure at a later date https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2023/02/espn-films-announces-multi-part-documentary-event-the-yankees-win/https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2023/02/espn-films-announces-multi-part-documentary-event-the-yankees-win/

That is the perfect reason for a violently hurling imoji.

Later

[metirish]

Holy shit 😂

[Fman99]

https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1658286528018239488 Holy shit 😂

They should trade him to the Astros I guess. Just another cheater.

[Edgy MD]

Buck Martinez at a loss for words is really fun Buck Martinez.



Dan Shulman: "You don't want to go throwing allegations around without knowing, but ..."



Buck Martinez: "No. AndyouwahaIIIeeeeIIyknowhavehad ... guys looking back when I was a catcher and ... heyouIcan obviously seeitand I ... he couldn't see the catcher with the way he was looking right there."

[nymr83]

This is a long way from a credible allegation of cheating, but hey, its the Yankees, I hope they get caught doing something wrong.

[Frayed Knot]

Peekin' ain't cheatin'.

It might be asking for a heater in the ear hole, but it's not Houston video spying level cheating.

[Edgy MD]

... as far as we know.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: ... as far as we know.

They hosts on WFAN were saying that Judge said the manager had just been thrown out and the guys in the dugout were "chirping". He said he glanced toward he dugout to see who was doing it because it was annoying him during the at bat. Looking at the angle of his head and eyes, I find that plausible.



Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

Especially if other players weren't also peeking at the dugout. If they had a system like the one that's being hinted at, all of the Yankees hitters would be peeking at the dugout on every at bat.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: Peekin' ain't cheatin'. It might be asking for a heater in the ear hole, but it's not Houston video spying level cheating.

This, ferchrissakes. Beat me to it. Peeking at the catcher's signs is legal because there's no WRITTEN rule prohibiting it. Now unwritten rules, OTOH ....

[Edgy MD]

His eyes aren't shifting to glance at the catcher behind him, but to the right side, toward the on-deck circle and the Yankee dugout.

[nymr83]

German got the Scherzer treatment tonight, ejected and ten games off for "sticky stuff"

[Edgy MD]

That ejection didn't even have a Phil Cuzzi factor.

[Frayed Knot]

The Yanx bit the bullet and DFA'd OF Aaron Hicks today, ending their association with their longest tenured position player.



Hicks was a former 1st round draft pick of the Twins (14th overall, 2008) but, after failing to live up to the billing, was picked up by the Yanx in 2016 where he seemed to finally "find it" and was declared a MFY success story.

A long term deal followed but the success didn't last and so now he's been cut loose with three years and $30-some million remaining on that deal.



Talking heads, and more than a few NYM fans, will tell you that the Yanx eat contracts all the time except that they actually don't so this is an exception for them.

[ashie62]

When signed Cashman said "I am gambling on Aaron."



Snake eyes

[metirish]

I'm guessing with 53k following this is indeed for real Bill James

[Benjamin Grimm]

Oh, snap!

[Edgy MD]

After Johnny Bench got elected to the Hall of Fame, they went an awful long time without electing a catcher. From the beginning, it was assumed there was a different offensive baseline from which to measure catchers, as compared to other positions.



But after Bench, it almost became like there was a new standard. Well respected defensive guys with a mixed offensive record that were welcomed in years past got shunned. Good hitters who didn't necessarily maintain their best stats in their later years wallowed in the back end of the voting.



In recent years, that seemingly has abated. But



For what it's worth, I first noticed that after Bill James observed it. He was more interested in the quick pass that Darrell Porter and Ted Simmons got, I think, than Munson. The 1930s version of Bob Boone and Mike Scoscia also might well have been inducted.

[metirish]

This isn't going well for Bill James , wow

[batmagadanleadoff]

Munson's 1976 MVP award was definitely undeserved. But back then, the writers/voters were in the dark and often awarded the MVP to the RBI leader of a first place team when there was no clearly obvious recipient, which Munson was (the RBI guy, not the deserving MVP). Also, the voters had a thing for catchers just because, without any statistical proof beyond that the catcher was a catcher. Catchers automatically got bumped up like10 or 20 spots in the voting. Because they were catchers. That's probably why knucklehead Gary Carter went around griping about not winning the award in '86. Carter wasn't even the third or fourth best guy on his own team that year but the voters placed him in third place in the voting.



Bad AL vote, also. Mark Fidrych got royally screwed out of the Cy because Palmer had more wins and wins were like everything when it came to Cy voting in '76. Wins and RBIs. The Dark Ages of award voting.



Dwight Gooden, like Fidrych, was another Rookie of the Year who got screwed out of a simultaneous Cy Young award. Maybe Rusty Staub was a jinx or something.



And on the subject of Mets who got screwed out of a Cy, the NL 76 vote was as bad as the AL vote. It should've been Seaver instead of Randy Jones but no way a 14 win pitcher was gonna beat someone that had 15 wins at the All Star break.

[Frayed Knot]

James is obviously having some fun here responding to MFY fans upset that he won't vouch for Munson's greatness or sanction their demands for immediate inclusion into the HoF.

And what other fanbase so regularly cites being 'The Captain' as if that's an 'accomplishment' which represents something worthy of consideration when evaluating a season or career?

[metirish]

Yeah he is , but damn, he's really laying into him

[metirish]

Following up on FK post I should add that yes the context here was James polling about Posey and Mauer ,and I guess it took off from there

[stevejrogers]

Frayed Knot wrote: And what other fanbase so regularly cites being 'The Captain' as if that's an 'accomplishment' which represents something worthy of consideration when evaluating a season or career?

Sadly I think that line of thinking is informing Met fans into over-inflating the HOF cases of the deserved Keith Hernandez and the less than deserving, but he better not get the Alfonso treatment, David Wright.



Also “leadership qualities” was part of the “package” for decades with fans of his when campaigning for Gil Hodges. Even if his managerial career would just be a sentence on his eventual plaque honoring his performance as a slugging 1Bman.

[stevejrogers]

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Following up on FK post I should add that yes the context here was James polling about Posey and Mauer ,and I guess it took off from there

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: James is obviously having some fun here responding to MFY fans upset that he won't vouch for Munson's greatness or sanction their demands for immediate inclusion into the HoF. And what other fanbase so regularly cites being 'The Captain' as if that's an 'accomplishment' which represents something worthy of consideration when evaluating a season or career?

I'm not sure how much captaining should matter, but probably a little in some cases and not at all in others.



In the very early years of the Hall, when the standards were necessarily very high, the support for Frank Chance was stronger than for a lot of players who had clearly better statistical cases.



It's true that home fans will often see better than others whether a guy is captain in name only or is really leading is team in a substantive way. It's also true that when something can't be measured, fans will often see what they want to see.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Then there was the Met who got his Met "captainship" by going into a jealous rage over initially being rejected for the role and then crying, pleading and manipulating his manager every which way possible until the manager finally broke down and just gave him the fucking captainship he had to have. Then, after he finally got his co-captainship, he bragged to everyone within earshot about the captainship he supposedly earned, over and over again, just in case anybody didn't hear it the first 85 times he bragged about it, or didn't see the fucking "C" on his uniform, leaving out the part about how he was passed over and had to beg for it.