Holy @#%$!

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: Please invite Hal to get behind my campaign to end the anti-trust exemption. Beyond that, I'm not sure what there is to "look at."

I share most, if not all of your views on free markets and MLB. But not relegation, but that's neither here nor there. Still, if MLB was as free as you wish it to be, and its Anti-trust exemption was stripped away, even then, nobody would catch Steve Cohen and he'd still be the unicorn that he presently is and most teams still wouldnt be able to operate like he does. He has multiples more money than the other owners have and he seems to be running the Mets as if it were merely a game of Monopoly with the money being treated as if it were toy or make believe money.

[Benjamin Grimm]

It will be interesting, if it ever comes out during our lifetimes, to learn the inside story of why 26 other owners decided to vote to approve his ownership. He's going to help drive an increase in salaries across the game and even though his money can't guarantee World Championships, if the Mets are dominant every year, that's one fewer playoff spot available to each of the other National League teams.

[whippoorwill]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: https://resizing.flixster.com/bDrXzLWhdhgqgONEffgnu3-Q3DI=/300x300/v2/https://flxt.tmsimg.com/assets/p16255_k_h10_aa.jpg> There's actually a cartoon character named "Charlie Strapp". He's the one on the left, with his friend, "Froggy Ball". Maybe the Mets can get a player named "Bola de Rana" to complete the set. (EDIT: I'm not used to seeing cartoon characters with five fingers!)

Especially…grasshoppers?

[metsmarathon]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It will be interesting, if it ever comes out during our lifetimes, to learn the inside story of why 26 other owners decided to vote to approve his ownership. He's going to help drive an increase in salaries across the game and even though his money can't guarantee World Championships, if the Mets are dominant every year, that's one fewer playoff spot available to each of the other National League teams.

it would be pretty fucked up to come out and say "you're too rich to own one of our teams" when every single one of them would hope to be able to sell their team to someone so rich and willing to pay for it.

[metirish]

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1606303328689799168]



Some top banter in this tweet

[Edgy MD]

Well, if you mentally link all of that to the signing, that takes the Mets 0.29% of the way down the road toward an even return!

[Frayed Knot]

Also, that statement, devoid of context, tells us nothing.

[Edgy MD]

Indeed, I meant to imply that.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Hold the phone yall

The New York Mets, like the San Francisco Giants earlier in the week, have raised concerns about Carlos Correa's surgically repaired lower right leg, potentially jeopardizing their 12-year, $315 million agreement with the star shortstop, according to people briefed on the matter who were not authorized to speak publicly.

https://theathletic.com/4033222/2022/12/24/mets-correa-physical-concerns/?source=user_shared_articlehttps://theathletic.com/4033222/2022/12/24/mets-correa-physical-concerns/?source=user_shared_article

[kcmets]

Eeeeek, Christmas cancelled!

[metirish]

The thread title remains perfect

[batmagadanleadoff]

Next year's free agents include, at third base, possibly Manny Machado, who can opt-out. Aaron Nola is a big time pitcher in the class, as is Yu Darvish. Shonei Ohtani will head the class. I say Steve should sign all four of them.

[metsmarathon]

yeah... yikes.



i mean, it makes things look better for the giants, that's for dang sure.



if the past leg injury is really, truly a concern, here's a thought.



keep the overall parameters of the deal the same, but with a fair bit of guarantee, but also a lot of reasonably achievable vesting options.



my first idea is a framework, that i haven't put nearly enough thought into the underlying math of... six years guaranteed, and automatically vesting options whereby if he averages 100 games over the prior three seasons he locks in for the next year, and so on. if he's healthy for the duration of the deal, he gets paid in full.



alternatively, and maybe a better idea for the player... stick with the same 12-year contract, where the first six years are full rate, and the last six are reduced rate, with achievable massive bonuses for playing time.



similar situation, he gets paid a ton either way, and if he's reasonably healthy he gets paid in full. but if not, the mets would have some measure of risk mitigation in case the leg really is a big deal.

[bmfc1]

They'll shorten the term and the dollars and all will be fine. The Mets will have done what the Giants didn't which is to renegotiate the deal to make sure that they have a great player on the team.

[Frayed Knot]

Players (and agents even more so) don't like to agree to what/if? kind of contracts because if they age faster than expected they feel the club

will try to use any excuse to mix the remaining deal and blame the injury for the result even if unrelated to the decline. Plus, there will never

be a better time than age 29 to get a multi-year deal.



Boras and Correa (Borrea?) are denying that there even is an injury concern so they're not going to be anxious to agree to a deal with non-

guaranteed money on account of it. But, so far at least, two out of two clubs seem to think that there is a concern.

[kcmets]

Right; it's like that Potroast song, "Two Out of Two Ain't Good."



(with apologies to the late Mr. Steinman)

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: Boras and Correa (Borrea?) are denying that there even is an injury concern so they're not going to be anxious to agree to a deal with non-guaranteed money on account of it. But, so far at least, two out of two clubs seem to think that there is a concern.

The contract has been signed and I would be greatly surprised if Boras would renegotiate/modify it.

It is now between the Mets and their insurance company.



Later

[ashie62]

Is it signed?



Someone may get fired over this

[Frayed Knot]

No, the deal is agreed to but is only complete conditional of a physical exam so that's where it sits now. His deal with SFG as in the same state and, when they wanted time to think about it, Boras peddled his client elsewhere. Same thing could happen here.

[ashie62]

So it could stick or not stick



Correa had multiple Injured list stays in 2019 bue to back issues. Did not see any verbage of how severe these stints we're aside from "lower back soreness"

[batmagadanleadoff]

I wonder what Kumar Rocker's doing?

[MFS62]

So it could stick or not stick Correa had multiple Injured list stays in 2019 bue to back issues. Did not see any verbage of how severe these stints we're aside from "lower back soreness"

But none of his recent stints on the IL were even remotely related to the leg injury they're concerned about. And that is what Boras will remind them of to finalize the deal.



Later

[Frayed Knot]

Yes, there have been no IL stints caused by the leg since he broke it in the minor leagues.

But that doesn't mean it can't cause future issues as he ages and that's apparently what

has caused both the Giants and now the Mets to think hard as to whether a decade-plus

year commitment is a good idea.

They may decide it is, they may want to renegotiate, they may back out altogether, or

another team may jump in while they're thinking about it as has already happened once

already.



So stayed tuned for upcoming episodes of the Carlos Correa saga.

[Edgy MD]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=115512 time=1671911410 user_id=68]
I wonder what Kumar Rocker's doing?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Rangers, huh? How about that Chris Young vision?

[ashie62]

Frayed Knot wrote: Yes, there have been no IL stints caused by the leg since he broke it in the minor leagues. But that doesn't mean it can't cause future issues as he ages and that's apparently what has caused both the Giants and now the Mets to think hard as to whether a decade-plus year commitment is a good idea. They may decide it is, they may want to renegotiate, they may back out altogether, or another team may jump in while they're thinking about it as has already happened once already. So stayed tuned for upcoming episodes of the Carlos Correa saga.

Sums it up nicely



Lotsa lawyer and Dr stuff

[whippoorwill]

Jumping Jesus. Just don't sign him to so many years. How hard is that to figure out?

[metirish]

All the chatter so far is that both camps want to "work through this" and get it done , curious to see what it looks like if they get it done

[Lefty Specialist]

Jeez, I'd like to know exactly what the problem is so I can decide how to spend Uncle Steve's money.



Of course, if this leads to a restructuring for a shorter term I'm OK with that. I'm not sure what my plans will be in 2034 anyway.

[vtmet7]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Jeez, I'd like to know exactly what the problem is so I can decide how to spend Uncle Steve's money. Of course, if this leads to a restructuring for a shorter term I'm OK with that. I'm not sure what my plans will be in 2034 anyway.

Maybe the x-rays show that they duck taped his fibula to his tibia and forgot to remove the duck tape