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Buck won't bat people out of order and won't put up with 'thumbs down' stuff. (And of course no dikpix)



None of the other guys particularly stand out for me. Geren, Ausmus, meh. The other guys, also meh. Jim Leyland turns 77 this month and smokes too much so I guess he's out.


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nothing wrong with thumbs down. He'd be unaware anyway.



But will he bat the stupid slappy guy with a .286 OBP second? Will he ignore the best hitter because he doesn't fit the profile? Will he be aware of reverse splits? Those are where the real mistakes are.


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He's also a broadcaster, and there should be plenty of material to gauge his approach to analytics. I don't buy that a guy would be resistant to more information simply because he's old.



Has anyone heard Buck on the air?


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A https://nypost.com/2021/12/10/ex-mets-pitcher-brad-brach-is-a-fan-of-buck-showalter/Puma-gram in the NY Post talks about how Buck is considered the front-runner as the (reported) six candidates will get whittled down to "two or three" for the next round of interviews this coming week.

He also gets the view from Brad Brach (and if you can't trust him, well then I don't think we're on the same page here) who, in addition to being an ex-Met, also played under Buck for 4-1/2 seasons in

Baltimore, a view which pretty much coincides with my impression of Buck's assets, starting with his Valentine-ish strength of not going to get beat by being unprepared:

-- “He's been the best manager I ever played for — he's so detail oriented,” [brach also has played for Bud Black, Brian Snitker and Joe Maddon among others] ... There is never a game situation that arises

in my eyes that kind of takes him by surprise or that he's not ready for.”

He went on to add: “I can kind of talk from only the bullpen perspective, but he was by far the best manager when it came to running a bullpen. He kept everybody healthy. If you look at the guys in that

Baltimore bullpen it had nothing to do with our arms when guys got hurt … guys were extremely healthy when they pitched for him.”



On how he can come across as not exactly warm and fuzzy until later on when, perhaps like a teenager realizing that his parents maybe aren't so out of touch after all, you realize what he was doing all along:

-- “[he] knows how to test guys and I think he finds out what kind of player you are and what he can get out of you by doing certain tests that at the moment you might think is him being a jerk, ...

[but] in reality it's just him trying to find out what kind of player he has. It can rub you the wrong way at that time, but I think if you looked back you would say that it was more so for the betterment

of the team and yourself than anything else.”



Brach on Buck's "old school" rep:

-- “I think he was more than willing to listen to all that [analytics] stuff, he just wanted to know where it was coming from, I don't know if it was the front office was having a problem with him asking

questions about where it was coming from or what the deal might be, but he got this reputation as this hard-nosed guy who didn't want to listen to anything, where I think honestly it was the complete

opposite: He had questions that they didn't want to answer or they weren't sure where it was coming from or they just didn't want questions to be asked, so he just kind of rubbed them the wrong way.”


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I guess the tradition was started by Stengel, but the Mets seem to have a proclivity for hiring ex-Yankee hacks as their manager. Far as I'm concerned when they do that, they're starting at a disadvantage because I already dislike those guys to begin with: Dallas Green and Willie Randolph started out with two strikes against them as far I was concerned, and they never made their way back to "Meh, he's okay, I guess."



There's a world full of guys who don't have any Yankee stink on them at all. Why not give one of those billions of guys a chance?


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I guess the tradition was started by Stengel, but the Mets seem to have a proclivity for hiring ex-Yankee hacks as their manager. Far as I'm concerned when they do that, they're starting at a disadvantage because I already dislike those guys to begin with: Dallas Green and Willie Randolph started out with two strikes against them as far I was concerned, and they never made their way back to "Meh, he's okay, I guess."



There's a world full of guys who don't have any Yankee stink on them at all. Why not give one of those billions of guys a chance?


That's some serious grudge-holding. Green and Randolph are the only ex-Yankees they've hired since Yogi, and Green didn't even make it through one full season as their manager. Is that a tradition? And Showalter has had twenty-five years let some of that Yankee stink wash off. I'd make it no more than one strike against him.


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=roger_that post_id=82848 time=1639297983 user_id=128]I guess the tradition was started by Stengel, but the Mets seem to have a proclivity for hiring ex-Yankee hacks as their manager.

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Edgy MD wrote:

=roger_that post_id=82848 time=1639297983 user_id=128]I guess the tradition was started by Stengel, but the Mets seem to have a proclivity for hiring ex-Yankee hacks as their manager.


Casey Stengel, Yogi Berra, and Dallas Green came over with 12 pennants and eight championships among them. They may be a lot of things, good and bad, but I wouldn't call them hacks.
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https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1470156873806618637


I guess that means that Brad Ausmus is out of the running.



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Showalter's been away from the Yanks for 25 years and managed for other clubs in the interim so I'm ok with his former Yankeeness. Brad Brach certainly sounds like he's auditioning for bullpen coach or something, but it's good to know Buck can handle relievers.



Just do it, as the Nike kids say.


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Besides, Buck was a Good Manger for the Yanx.

Stengel was an old man hired mostly as a figurehead. Dallas Green appealed to those (particularly Steinbrenner) who thought his tough guy personna was what their club needed, a thought which usually had a short shelf life.

iow, both were hired more for their image than their actual managing skills.


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https://nypost.com/2021/12/13/mark-teixeira-on-buck-showalter-smartest-man-in-baseball/Add Mark Teixeira to the pro-Buck chorus.

Teixeira played for him for four seasons in Texas



“I think Buck Showalter is the smartest man in baseball, and that is not hyperbole,” Teixeira told The Post on Monday. “When you sit down and talk to Buck about the game, he is just so sharp looking at it from all different angles and his record speaks for itself and there is not a more prepared manager as well. You take his intelligence and his preparation and I think he's a great manager. Just look at what he's done with so many franchises, building them up from the bottom.”



“Every manager says they have an open-door policy, but Buck truly does,” ... “Buck is not somebody who will walk through the clubhouse all day long kind of bothering guys, but that door is open and any time you need something you go in there and talk to Buck and he's going to do whatever it takes to make the team better.”





Also some stuff in that link about Espada who was in the NYY org during Teixeira's final years there.


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The William Nathaniel Stops Here just doesn't have the same juice.



It's becoming late Thursday, thought this would be wrapped up by now.

Maybe Buck's team wants a merchandising tent or something...


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